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Re: No milk or cheese

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The differentiation between Jews and Zionists is a recent development that occurred as Jew hating became associated with Nazism, you may not be old enough to be aware of the development.
Not so. I'm old enough to not only remember it, but to remember having wondered, at the time, why someone wasn't writing updates into the Bible since, as it was being presented, it was clearly the fulfillment of scriptural prophecy.

The Zionist movement was and is an attempt to convince people who were largely content where they were to leave their comfortable surroundings (in which they were doing rather well overall) and become a geopolitical nation-state like the others. This was only slightly less difficult than selling iceboxes to Esquimos, and it remains so today, despite the spate of heavily publicised "anti-semitic" outrages (cemetary vandalisms and the like) that turn out to have been provocations manufactured to order by it because so few of them occur spontaneously to make political capital of.

Zionism had been active for 50 years before the 1930s, and was involved in some surprising ways in those developments.
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comfortable surroundings
These comfortable surroundings would have included the Soviet Union, Poland and Germany I take it.

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Digit wrote:So once again you are suggesting that Israel is a sole offender. Why?
Where did you get that from, Roy? I never 'suggested' anything of the sort, let alone "once again".

Don't you realise that the Israelis have done/are doing exactly the same what the Nazis did in Warsaw? Gaza is a ghetto! The Israelis are plain and simple fascists. And hypocritical fascists at that, wallowing in their victim role in 40-45 while doing precisely the same thing to the Palestinians the Nazis did to them...
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The again bit comes from your comment about fundamentalism and ignoring UN resolutions. Both of whch are not singular to Israel. Having made that point to you then adopted your usual tactic of changing onto a diferrent point, Gaza this time.
I will deal with that if you return to my counter of your first two points and explain why you made those two obseravtions whilst ignoring other country's similar offences.
Okay?

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I have put on my mod hat long enough to move this topic to the "Everything Else" forum as it has gotten well beyond the original topic and seems to have no chance of being dragged back on point.

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These comfortable surroundings would have included the Soviet Union
Sigh

A little history here.

Who financed, created and likely directed the so-called "Russian Revolution" ? (No points off for not being able to name the Geneva faction's chairman).

What ethnic group comprised the overwealming majority of the Commisars and other government officials, 1917 - 1934 ?

What (if any) significance is there that one of the first laws they enacted made any expression of anti-Jewish sentiment a capital offense ?

Ditto above in their having systematically closed Synagogues as well as Churches in their effort to instill atheism as the state religion ?

Ditto above in the common expression "Moscow on the Hudson" ?
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Digit wrote: explain why you made those two obseravtions whilst ignoring other country's similar offences.
Okay?
Okay:
yes other nations have ignored UN resolutions, at some point in time, and got hammered for it, in due course. Be it with diplomatic or economic sanctions, blockades, or invasions. But they did get hammered for their misconduct, and they did get in line, eventually.
None of that goes for Israel. They didn't ignore UN resolutions at some point in time, but all the time in the past 6 decades. And could never be made to face consequences because of their protector, the USA.

The Zionists*, with their wallowing in self-pity prima donna behavior, have usurped the world's attention, and efforts, and abused the world's compassion for over a century now. I'm sick and tired of the backhanded little shits.

So: no, other countries are not the same! Israel certainly is in a class of its own (making!). And it's high time that changed.

*Note that I do not say 'Jews', because 99% of Zionists may be Jews, but not 99% of Jews are Zionists. On average people don't/can't choose to be Jewish. They are (or they aren't). Zionism is a conscious choice, though.
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Sigh Sigh! Didn't stop the pograms did it Uni? What use are protective laws that aren't obeyed/enforced?
RS. Let me ask you a question before I move on to the 'Ghetto' comment.
You want Israel to obey the UN? Fine, I do not argue. This is a history/archy site so a history lesson.
Yes Israel should obey the UN. A Question, should not the neigboring states also?

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Digit wrote:Sigh Sigh! Didn't stop the pograms did it Uni? What use are protective laws that aren't obeyed/enforced?
RS. Let me ask you a question before I move on to the 'Ghetto' comment.
You want Israel to obey the UN? Fine, I do not argue. This is a history/archy site so a history lesson.
Yes Israel should obey the UN. A Question, should not the neigboring states also?
Yet another conditional question?
How many more will there be following?

A counter question:
if one neighbor kills his wife in a heated argument, and the other neighbor is a cool, calculating, cold-blooded serial killer with 20 victims to his name, which one is more dangerous to society?

For the last time: Israel and its neighbors are not comparable! At all!

Have I met your conditions now...?
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How many more will there be following?
As many as I consider needful.
For the last time: Israel and its neighbors are not comparable! At all!
So Israel should obey the UN the others need not, correct?
Have I met your conditions now...?
You will have when you answer the above.

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Digit wrote:
How many more will there be following?
As many as I consider needful.
Ah, so you're the type that changes the rules during the game!
That's not the way I play.
For the last time: Israel and its neighbors are not comparable! At all!
So Israel should obey the UN the others need not, correct?
No, not correct.
A manslaughter killer needs to be punished, and can walk the streets again after he has served his 10 year sentence. A serial killer needs to be permanently removed from society.
Have I met your conditions now...?
You will have when you answer the above.
Yet another condition/rule change during the game?
I humored you sofar, but this is where I draw the line in the sand of your opportunism, foot-dragging, and avoidance.
I'm not sure I'm looking forward to your view on Gaza being a ghetto, and the Israelis consequently being hypocritical fascists. But since you have strikingly avoided that for some time now I'm not really expecting you to change that behavior now.
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You haven't answered, you are doing a Uni and using allegorys. Why should the other countries not obey the UN? As I said, I will answer you questions after you have answered mine as mine came first and I will not be diverted.
If you prefer not to answer, okay.

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Digit wrote:You haven't answered, you are doing a Uni and using allegorys. Why should the other countries not obey the UN? As I said, I will answer you questions after you have answered mine as mine came first and I will not be diverted.
If you prefer not to answer, okay.
As I expected and predicted...
You're feigning 'not to understand' what you call an allegory (elementary school level) so as not to have to admit hypocritical Israeli fascism.
A pathetic 'debating technique'.

Well, that concludes this 'debate' then, doesn't it? And mortgages all that follows...
It also makes clear which side you're on.
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It also makes clear which side you're on.
It does indeed, as have you, my side is a level playing field for all, and, yes, if you are not prepared to answer a straight question with a straight response, that would seem to end the debate.
And using allergorical replies rather than straight answers is also pathetic debating technique.

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