Historical Mayan / African (by phenotype) American monarchs

[PaulMarcW]

[Minimalist writes]

I don't know, Paul. You see things that I do not. No one would argue the 25th dynasty which originated with an invasion from Nubia, but many of the others are far from clear cut.

[Marc writes]

Here is something found on the internet. A question:

“Why do (some) black people have big lips/noses?”

Some, not all black people, have big lips/noses. This is what distinguishes them from whites and Asians, the two other of the three races (others peoples, in my view, being sub-races, admixtures of these three).

When you see big lips/noses, you see (actually and figuratively - not all "black" people are physically black) black people. Africans. The common feature found in the reliefs, statues, pendants, frescoes I use is that they have big lips/noses. They are African.

In the past, much fun was made of the big noses/lips of Africans. Now I am using this feature to distinguish Africans worldwide in ancient history largely before the races started mixing.

You say that the examples shown in the pages I chose are questionable, not clear cut? I certainly don’t agree. They all have "big" lips. They are African.

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[Minimalist]

In the past, much fun was made of the big noses/lips of Africans.

I agree, Paul. I always considered it racist claptrap.

[PaulMarcW]

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Here is a related page to the thread topic:


http://www.beforebc.de/all_america/900_ ... 00-10.html

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[PaulMarcW]

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Another related page:


http://www.beforebc.de/all_america/900_ ... 00-10.html

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http://www.beforebc.de/Related.Subjects ... 00-09.html

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[kbs2244]

I am not saying I am against the idea of pre-historic moving around of people by sea.
In fact, I support it.

But you do have to be careful when you try to give evidence of it.

The existence of a Queen named Califina in Baja cannot be supported by the California gold rush.

Suttons Mill, the site of the original gold rush find, is a good 500 miles to the north of San Diego, the northernmost point of Baja, as well as quite a way inland.

And there was never any evidence of pre white man mining.

[Minimalist]

As this article makes clear there are a number of disputed theories for the name California.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_ ... California


Personally, having lived through a couple of Arizona summers, this one makes the most sense!

It is suggested that the word California may signify that it is a place that is "hot as an oven", because in Catalan "cal" means hot and "forn" means oven. (From the latin roots calida > hot, fornax > oven).

[kbs2244]

Years ago, in another life, I found myself stranded for a weekend in San Diego.
It was February, and I had no room reservations.
I was expecting a huge hunt for a place to stay.

I ended up in a real nice little family run motel just a half block from the beach.
I was the only guest.

I told them I expected the place to be full of winter vacationers.
They said their busy season was the summer.
All the people from AZ escaping the heat and looking for an ocean breeze.

[wxsby]

Back before the wars down there, We used to love to cruise the Sea of Cortez looking for big game fish and cruise the Baja looking for cave paintings. I met a guy by the name of Harry Crosby in a bar in Loreto, and he showed me caves around Mulege and Loreto. He was an expert and all I did was help him haul his gear... including swim it across rivers. Years later I ran across him and his current archeology class in the bar at the Hacienda Viejo Hotel in Mulege. I know... the bar theme again. It's The Baja! You had to be there. He later wrote some great books on the subject. But I had specific questions about the pre-Columbian art... did it show sail technology? Nope. Lots of watercraft, but no sails. I still find that surprising.

But he knew of The Pericú. He said their art was different from the typical NA Amerindian art, and related more to Polynesian art.

As for early gold mining, I have only heard of it this area as done by Indian slaves for the Jesuits, all obviously post Columbian.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics ... Aborigines
The Pericúes

Anthropologist Rolando González-José of the University of BarcelonaUniversity of BarcelonaThe University of Barcelona is a public university located in the city of Barcelona, Catalonia in Spain. It is a member of the Coimbra Group and Joan Lluís Vives Institute.- History :...
demonstrated that the remains of the Pericúes. The Pericú were the aboriginal inhabitants of the Cape Region, the southernmost portion of Baja California Sur, Mexico..., a tribe that lived in Baja California Sur. Baja California Sur is one of the 31 states of Mexico. Before becoming a state in 1974, the area was known as the South Territory of Baja California. It has an area of 3.57% of the land mass of Mexico and comprises the southern half of the Baja California peninsula, south of the 28th parallel... until the 18th century, were morphologically more similar to the Lagoa Santa finds than to any other group tested, and both were closer to the Australian Aborigines and Melanesians than to Siberians. The explanation they give is that "Climatic changes during the Middle Holocene probably generated the conditions for isolation from the continent, restricting the gene flow of the original group with northern populations, which resulted in the temporal continuity of the Palaeoamerican morphological pattern to the present." DNA testing has shown that "the group had just the normal haplogroups found in the modern Native American Indians suggesting the possibility of processes of in situ differentiation for this extinct group.