Kon Tiki

[gunny]

Read ol' Thor's book again. Perhaps this was submitted in the past, but with the findinding of red headed mummies in Mexico---why has no DNA testing been done?

[Rokcet Scientist]

Read ol' Thor's book again. Perhaps this was submitted in the past, but with the findinding of red headed mummies in Mexico---why has no DNA testing been done?

On what?

[gunny]

Of age---country of orgin, etc---legend has red beard white men arriving from the east in ships with white sails, The hunter/gathers then built stone monumental structures, wrote books, etc--THEN the white men sailed to the west. This legend allowed Cortez with 400 men to overcome Mexico becouse they thought the "GODS" had returned. OK?

[Johnny]

Of age---country of orgin, etc---legend has red beard white men arriving from the east in ships with white sails, The hunter/gathers then built stone monumental structures, wrote books, etc--THEN the white men sailed to the west. This legend allowed Cortez with 400 men to overcome Mexico becouse they thought the "GODS" had returned. OK?

You mean the story of Quetzalcoatl? There's some reasonable debate as to whether or not the Aztecs believed Cortes to be a returning god. Since there's no mention of this belief outside Spanish text and the post-conquest codices, I'm skeptical. As for the concept of Quetzalcoatl, you'd need to establish culturally influential caucasian visitation of the new world by 900BC to ascribe them to the concept of the feathered serpent as Stela 19 at Olmec La Venta is believed to be the first depiction.

[Minimalist]

Since there's no mention of this belief outside Spanish text and the post-conquest codices,

True but the Spanish also burned most of the native-american literature.

[Johnny]

True but the Spanish also burned most of the native-american literature.

Yeah, perhaps I'm being a bit ethnocentrist this morning but I just don't think the Mexica were convinced. A few terrified or opportunistic priests might have pushed the idea but I suspect Motecuhzoma was much less than swayed. Especially once that whole kidnapping thing went down.

[Rokcet Scientist]

Of age---country of orgin, etc---legend has red beard white men arriving from the east in ships with white sails, The hunter/gathers then built stone monumental structures, wrote books, etc--THEN the white men sailed to the west. This legend allowed Cortez with 400 men to overcome Mexico becouse they thought the "GODS" had returned. OK?

What's all that got to do with Heyerdahl's Kon Tiki (your thread title!), Peru/Ecuador, the Incas and/or their predecessors, Polynesia or Rapa Nui?

[Johnny]

What's all that got to do with Heyerdahl's Kon Tiki (your thread title!), Peru/Ecuador, the Incas and/or their predecessors, Polynesia or Rapa Nui?

I'm in no way condoning the poor grammar, diction and overall construction of the text here but I think this is what he's talking about:

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/fo ... ge&img=715

[Rokcet Scientist]

Well, as the Inca empire had only existed for less than 200 years when Pizarro arrived, "long before the Inca" doesn't exactly tell us much, does it?

But I have the explanation for you:
those white men with beards were Phoenicians, who maintained (secret) global trade routes between 1,800 BC and 146 BC which made them filthily rich dealing in 'exotic spices' (a.k.a. drugs). That stopped cold (turkey... ) when Rome utterly destroyed Carthage. And – unknowingly – the secrets of the trading routes and the destination lands with it (if there were hard copies of those at all; I think there weren't, on purpose). The Phoenicians in Peru were manning a trading post. Had done for centuries. And they were used to have Phoenician ships calling every few years. But after 146 BC they saw that no new Phoenician ships came anymore. They had lost contact with the motherland! So eventually they all left in a flotilla of makeshift ships, trying to make it back to a Carthage that wasn't there anymore!

Whether they ever made it home is still in the mists of oblivion but the evidence is pretty strong they got at least as far as Easter Island!

Hey! Whaddayasay? I wouldn't be surprised to find Viracocha and Odysseus share some DNA... Both great leaders who courageously led their people home to the motherland through perilous seas and mythical adventures with cantankerous gods, right?

[Digit]

That might be correct, but i can see an awful lot of objections to it.

Roy.

[Rokcet Scientist]

That might be correct, but i can see an awful lot of objections to it.

I think you should try and flesh it out more before you try to sink it. That's easy.

[Digit]

You mentioned Japan and the Dutch traders, they left verifiable evidence. You stated a trading post for hundreds of years, did they live in mud huts?
You said that the destruction of Carthage ended that trade, did they not have bases in Spain?
Do you think that the Romans would not have found a way to keep that trade going if only by using Carthaginians as middle men?
I find it difficult to accept that the Romans would have destroyed a major trading group without replacing them, if they didn't replace them why destroy them?
You may well be correct, but it isn't logical.
We destroyed much of your country's trade by destroying your fleet, then we replaced you, even taking over your trading posts.

Roy.

[Minimalist]

That might be correct, but i can see an awful lot of objections to it.

Roy.

Me too.

[kbs2244]

I see where you are coming from Digit.
But RS has a good point.

The Phoenician or Carthage based trading routes were both State and family secrets.
The Roman politicos were very proud of completely destroying Carthage.
The Roman merchant families may have been less enthused about the complete destruction of the records and ships logs.

By the time of the Dutch, English, Spanish global trade wars the knowledge of the locations was there.
It was now just a case of power politics.

But back to Gunny’s point.
Isn’t there some kind of theory that hair will turn red under certain burial circumstances?
There are an awful lot of red haired “mummies” found around the world.
Were they all from a race of world travelers?