Sky TV over here is running a series on the history of the States, starting tonight with Jamestown. Fascinating!
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Is that "America the Story of Us?"
( I guess over there it would be "the Story of You Ingrates?")
( I guess over there it would be "the Story of You Ingrates?")
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It is indeed! When I was at school all we learnt was the Boston tea party, now a days we have a problem that the majority of teachers etc subscribe to a leftist view of ignoring history gased on their belief that everything about out our history is racist.
Some of our teens are convinced that Germany won WW2, such is the standard of teaching.
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Some of our teens are convinced that Germany won WW2, such is the standard of teaching.
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The Germans weren't racists?
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Ask Uni! 
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Ethnic Hegemonies in American History, Part 1
George Hocking
http://www.toqonline.com/2010/04/ethnic-hegemonies-1/
Excerpts :
Suppressing the truth of racial diversity is proving as hard as maintaining belief in an earth-centered solar system or a flat earth. Even as early as 1979, the fundamental fact that innate and fixed racial mentalities cause distinctive cultures rather than result from them was proven, even though quietly ignored.[4]
[4] Daniel G. Freedman, Human Sociobiology: A Holistic Approach (New York: The Free Press, 1979).
For years genetics remained a crutch that permitted differences among races to continue being trivialized, since differences among genes were not readily apparent. Even genetic differences between clearly distinct species like humans and chimpanzees appeared to be few. Now we know better. Significant differences within genes and in non-gene DNA important for controlling gene activity correlate with race so well that DNA can now be routinely matched to racial phenotypes with complete reliability.[6] Claiming races are alike because they share the same genes is now equivalent to claiming all books written with the same 26 letters say the same thing.
[6] John M. Butler, Forensic DNA Typing: Biology, Technology, and Genetics of STR Markers, 2nd Edition (Burlington, Mass.: Elsevier, 2005).
Modern genetic analysis shows that Plato’s Greeks and Mill’s Europeans are an unusually homogeneous part of the earth’s human population. European mitochondrial DNA, for example, has fewer haplotypes and is thus more homogeneous in origin than that of the human populations on other continents including those superficially appearing more geographically isolated, a conclusion confirmed by other measures of genetic diversity.[7]
[7] Stephen Oppenheimer, The Real Eve: Modern Man’s Journey out of Africa (New York: Carroll and Graf, 2003); L. Cavalli-Sforza, P. Menozzi, and A. Piazza, The History and Geography of Human Genes, abridged paperback edition (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1994).
George Hocking
http://www.toqonline.com/2010/04/ethnic-hegemonies-1/
Excerpts :
Suppressing the truth of racial diversity is proving as hard as maintaining belief in an earth-centered solar system or a flat earth. Even as early as 1979, the fundamental fact that innate and fixed racial mentalities cause distinctive cultures rather than result from them was proven, even though quietly ignored.[4]
[4] Daniel G. Freedman, Human Sociobiology: A Holistic Approach (New York: The Free Press, 1979).
For years genetics remained a crutch that permitted differences among races to continue being trivialized, since differences among genes were not readily apparent. Even genetic differences between clearly distinct species like humans and chimpanzees appeared to be few. Now we know better. Significant differences within genes and in non-gene DNA important for controlling gene activity correlate with race so well that DNA can now be routinely matched to racial phenotypes with complete reliability.[6] Claiming races are alike because they share the same genes is now equivalent to claiming all books written with the same 26 letters say the same thing.
[6] John M. Butler, Forensic DNA Typing: Biology, Technology, and Genetics of STR Markers, 2nd Edition (Burlington, Mass.: Elsevier, 2005).
Modern genetic analysis shows that Plato’s Greeks and Mill’s Europeans are an unusually homogeneous part of the earth’s human population. European mitochondrial DNA, for example, has fewer haplotypes and is thus more homogeneous in origin than that of the human populations on other continents including those superficially appearing more geographically isolated, a conclusion confirmed by other measures of genetic diversity.[7]
[7] Stephen Oppenheimer, The Real Eve: Modern Man’s Journey out of Africa (New York: Carroll and Graf, 2003); L. Cavalli-Sforza, P. Menozzi, and A. Piazza, The History and Geography of Human Genes, abridged paperback edition (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1994).
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Once again I'm stymied. What has that to do with what either I or Min posted?
Answer in plain English preferred.
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Answer in plain English preferred.
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I'm waiting, too.
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BTW, while we're waiting, I could not believe that they went from Jamestown to the Revolution without mentioning the Seven Year's War.
This documentary tended to focus on some bizarre minutiae and overlooking some major events. Odd...to say the least.
This documentary tended to focus on some bizarre minutiae and overlooking some major events. Odd...to say the least.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
-- George Carlin
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You've caught my interest Min, what was the 7 yrs war?
Take your time, it could be a long wait!
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Take your time, it could be a long wait!
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So you didn't miss it, then?
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I watched the first episode Min, next one next Monday.
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Uh, no. I meant you didn't miss the lack of reference to the 7 Years War.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
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No Min, 'cos I've never heard of it! 
That was what I was aking you about.
Roy.
That was what I was aking you about.
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Kung Fu Tsu (or, if you like, "Confucius") wrote that whenever someone wished to discuss something with him, he would give them one corner of it. If they identified the other three, he would enter into it with them. If they didn't, he would pass on to some other topic. That's it in a nutshell.
You posted your usual remark (slighting in intent) about the Germans being "racists" -- the implication supposedly being that "race-ism" was reprehensible or untoward.
In response, I gave you three citations that will have alerted others (if not you) to the informed possibility that the assumption you were starting from was more politically expedient than scientifically sound.
Unable, apparently, to see past the end of your nose, you did your typical "what is he talking about ?"
The problem, IMHO, is not one of intelligence, but of perspective. As with your view of WW II having come, seemingly, more from Sgt. Rock comic books than from sober, dispassionate history.
Absent perspective, I say what I have to say and leave it to others to find value (or otherwise) in it.
You posted your usual remark (slighting in intent) about the Germans being "racists" -- the implication supposedly being that "race-ism" was reprehensible or untoward.
In response, I gave you three citations that will have alerted others (if not you) to the informed possibility that the assumption you were starting from was more politically expedient than scientifically sound.
Unable, apparently, to see past the end of your nose, you did your typical "what is he talking about ?"
The problem, IMHO, is not one of intelligence, but of perspective. As with your view of WW II having come, seemingly, more from Sgt. Rock comic books than from sober, dispassionate history.
Absent perspective, I say what I have to say and leave it to others to find value (or otherwise) in it.