Bosnian pyramids, photos

[DougWeller]

I don't like being called a liar. I don't mind being told I'm wrong, but I'm not lying.

Ciko, have you read the Tuzla report? You do realise it is backed by the Research and Teaching Council of the Faculty of Mining and Geology, as well as the Association of Geologists of Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Are you saying that Bosnian geologists are incompetent? That they don't know the local geology?

Where is there a report from Barakat? He can't tell sanddollar fossils from human fossils, why are you so sure you will trust what he supposedly said in a brief visit (I haven't seen a report from him, just what others say he said, which may or may not be accurate).

And it doesn't matter when the core samples were done, if they show it is natural and they did them before the excavations, are you saying they would have shown the site as manmade if done after the excavations started?

DOug

[Guest]

Wait a minute. The excavations started in April THIS year, yet you try to imply those photos are the university team boring LAST year?! Two hours before the excavations began?

thos photos are from august 2005 , when they found anomalies in this holes, theystared to digg in october 2005 and found stone blocks wich forms pyramid and tunels those excavation in october was only 1 week
, just to see if there is something under the soil and they have found it now they started in april bigg excations to uncover pyramid walls

YOU said that they only did the excavations "two hours" before the excavations began. Now you're telling us they've actually been there twice?! Make your mind up.

i said stop lieing here
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireSt ... SFeeds0312

"My opinion is that this is a type of pyramid, probably a primitive pyramid," said Dr. Aly Abd Alla Barakata, a geologist from the Egyptian Mineral Resource Authority.

Dr. Barakata, an expert in the stone blocks used to build ancient pyramids, said he believes the structure could not be natural and should be investigated further.

Ciko, Since you're getting personal, so will I; you're an IDIOT. That report ends with Barakat saying further investigation was needed of Visoko-which is EXACTLY what I said in the first place.
Look, if your ego is too fragile to handle people daring to disagree with you, I suggest you find yourself another hobby, as you don't seem suited to archaeology without taking it personally.
Think very carefully before you dare to me a liar again, chum.

[DougWeller]

Actually the story that is going around is that the Tuzla team spent only 2 hours examing the site, and based their report on Osmanagic's book. The claim is also made by someone that they were paid to say what they did.

Of course, the people putting forward these studies fail to point out that their report was commisioned by the pryamid foundation.
Once again, the press release says
"The team leader Professor Dr. Sejfudin Vrabac (http://www.rggf.untz.ba/rggfosoblje/nos ... fudinv.htm) said that they have concluded that Visoèica hill is a natural geological formation, made of classic sediments of layered composition and varying thickness, and that its shape is a consequence of endodynamical and egsodynamical processes in post-Miocene era. According to Professor Vrabac who specializes in paleogeology, there are dozens of like morphological formations in the Sarajevo-Zenica mining basin alone. The Geological team report on Visocica, based on the data collected in six drill holes at 3 to 17 m depths, is supported by the Research and Teaching Council of the Faculty of Mining and Geology, as well as the Association of Geologists of Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina. "

Ciko thinks they are incompetent. Shame.

[Guest]

ciko is a person who has latched onto this project as it has given him something to be proud of, unfortunately, he has turned a blind eye to objetivity and swallows everything Os has to say.

obviously, there has been construction on the hill but it is not what he wants it to be. i think Os is taking advantage of the low self-esteem that country has at this time and is building false hopes which will lead to a big crash.

if nothing else, if there is no pyramid there, then i will feel sorry for the country as they have been led on a wild goose chase, of their own making.

[stan]

I agree with arch that, presuming this thing is not a pyramid, all those volunteer diggers have been shabbily treated.

Imagine them thinking they are going to find something like the famous
structures in Egypt or Teotihuacan. Gold, treasure, fame, national pride!

However, I still hope something of interest will emerge besides a display of public hysteria.

[Minimalist]

unfortunately, he has turned a blind eye to objetivity and swallows everything Os has to say.

As you do with the bible.

At least Oz has found a hill.

[Fortuneteller]

Hi you all! I am not an archeologist (not even close), but I’ve been following what is happening in Bosnia because I was born there, and because of my research.

I can bosnian, so I have noticed that you got some things wrong. That is not your fault. Os or somebody who works for him filters all information. Here is one example.

As I recall, Dr. Barakat did not say that all bosnian round stones are man made. There was an article published on one of the Os sites. According to their journalist, the conversation among Dr. Barakat and some people from the Os team went like this:

1. dr. Barakat said that only one of the round stones that he saw might be man made
2. somebody from the OS team pointed out something, which was not specified in the article
3. then dr. Barakat said “…maybe, more tests will be necessary…”
4. and then, the article disappeared from the web site.

Here is a video that I found on the bosnian TV web site. You can see dr. Barakat in action. Os will talk in bosnian, but dr. Barakat will show up about five times and he will speak english.


[url]rtsp://195.222.58.181:7070/ftv/potragazapiramidom0521.rm[/url]

Please do not discredit Barakat, at least not yet. There are several papers of his on the internet. It seems as if he did interesting things.

Is there a geologist on this forum? Could you please comment on Barakat’s findings?

There is much more than this. I spoke with my Bosnian friends and journalists who told me several very interesting things. Os is getting out of control.

[Guest]

Hi Fortuneteller,
Thanks for clarifying. Did you find any links to Barakat's articles? I would actually like to read the guy's works; I didn't think he was being accurately quoted round here.

[malter]

i think this story about pyramids is becoming ridicolous the more I follow it here from bosnia and herzegovina. they have been digging for some 3-4 months now and as somebody said they would know by now if this is a pyramid. obviously it is not and the only proof they have are some stone blocks which can be man-made from any medivial time or even natural. symbols from the tunnel also look like from roman or greek time, maybe even created by some of the diggers.

so this may all come up to be some roman mine that geologist from this country knew existed for many years.

[Fortuneteller]

Did you find any links to Barakat's articles?

I could not find a lot. Here is what I have.

Barakat represents Egypt abroad:

http://www.smmp.net/IMA-CM/members.htm

B. as a participant:

http://medias.obs-mip.fr/eclipse/web/aj ... er2003.pdf

This is a real paper:

http://www.impactika.com/PaillouCRAS04.pdf

http://www.chiemgau-impact.com/streufeld.html

B. and Zahi Hawass mentioned on the same web site:

http://www.egyptvoyager.com/features_sn ... eteors.htm

http://www.egyptvoyager.com/drhawass.htm

this is probably the same thing:

http://www.sis.gov.eg/En/Pub/magazin/fa ... 000004.htm

something in Italian:

http://www.arigio.it/Italiano/ricerca_s ... casually.

[tintin]

Alrom thanks for summing it all up mate...
Ciko give it a break....I am Bosnian and this shit is making a complete mockery, a circus if you will, of our country.
Just look at it. Those stone "blocks" ha ha ha.......jigsaw puzzle where each piece weighs what? 200 tonnes hehe....and perfectly receives adjecent pieces...and thats not the end.., all done at an angle to form a pyramid.....It just doesnt make any sense whatsoever....give it up

[Minimalist]

The Russian guy in that first link looks like Rasputin.

[DougWeller]

Barakat is a real geologist, even if he didn't find Cambyses' lost army (probably because he confused sand dollar fossils with human fossils). But he isn't one of Egypt's foremost experts on the pyramids, and his quick visit can't be compared with the core drills done by the geological team from Tuzla University, their local knowledge of the geology, and the fact that they are backed by the Bosnian geological society.

[Ciko]

Barakat is a real geologist, even if he didn't find Cambyses' lost army (probably because he confused sand dollar fossils with human fossils). But he isn't one of Egypt's foremost experts on the pyramids, and his quick visit can't be compared with the core drills done by the geological team from Tuzla University, their local knowledge of the geology, and the fact that they are backed by the Bosnian geological society.

barakat saw those stone blocks wich forms walls of the pyramid but those geologists team from Tuzla University did not

[Beagle]

Ciko et al - keep on being enthusiatic in your opinions but please keep on posting some real time news and some pics.