Classical Drug users.

[Digit]

Carcinogenic responses from mobile phone use have never been proven,

I agree, I was simply following your comments.
Living can give you cancer, nobody gets out alive, but increasing your risks is a bit daft, whether it's smoking, Sun burn, jay walking or juggling with chain saws, or in my case, riding a motor bike.

Roy.

[Rokcet Scientist]

Carcinogenic responses from mobile phone use have never been proven,

I agree, I was simply following your comments.
Living can give you cancer, nobody gets out alive, but increasing your risks is a bit daft, whether it's smoking, Sun burn, jay walking or juggling with chain saws, or in my case, riding a motor bike.

Decreasing your risks is at least as daft. You might as well have your house cemented up. With you in it of course. For all intents and purposes you'd be a zombie. But you would avoid practically all risks! (Sorry, haven't got a solution how you could avoid E.P.'s impactor though... )

Don't forget to wash your hands!
Again.

[Digit]

Decreasing your risks is at least as daft.

My view on that is very simplistic RS.
Faced, as I am, with the possibility that one day my cancer may return, it makes sense to take what ever steps that may reduce that risk.
I think I can also say that if you were in that position you might well agree, prevention is better than cure I think.

Roy.

[Rokcet Scientist]

I think I can also say that if you were in that position you might well agree

Yes, I might.
But it would be fear talking, not common sense.

prevention is better than cure I think.

Depends entirely on the impact of that prevention on daily life.

[Digit]

not common sense.

Fear might be a driving factor, but that does not mean that it is not common sense.

Depends entirely on the impact of that prevention on daily life.

Well I have yet to meet anyone who chose a painfull death over attempting to remain alive.

Roy.

[Rokcet Scientist]

Well I have yet to meet anyone who chose a painfull death over attempting to remain alive.

You probably never will because that is not the choice the people around you have.
In the west the choice is between a painless death and attempting to remain alive at all costs!
In the west nobody needs to die in pain anymore.

[Digit]

No, you die from an overdose of pain killers instead. But as you pointed out, that's in the west.
Then of course there other illnesses that will give you a miserable end without pain, and it still makes sense to prevent where possible.

Roy.

[Rokcet Scientist]

No, you die from an overdose of pain killers instead.

No, that is euthanasia. Still an exception in the west.
The majority of people in the west still die of natural causes while pain killers, in exact dosages, (should and can) prevent pain. But it is important to note that the cause of death is still 'natural', i.c. it is caused by the progressive damage that a medical condition or an accident does, but without pain.

But as you pointed out, that's in the west.
Then of course there other illnesses that will give you a miserable end without pain, and it still makes sense to prevent where possible.

Or one can take matters into one's own hands, instead of leaving it to chance, and decide to live life to the full for a limited timespan, and then exit gracefully, before life becomes really nasty.

[Digit]

Sorry RS, but the treatment for terminal cancer is pain killers, at the end the dosage to control the pain causes your death! Unfortunately I have had first hand experience.
One of the problems with ending it yourself can be the wherewithal.
I remember one poor sod of a loco driver who had a woman step out from behind a signal box, leaving him no chance to brake.
She was his sixth victim and she stood and stared at him.
He never drove again.
I had to identify my mother's body, my son will not have the same chore.

Roy.

[Rokcet Scientist]

Sorry RS, but the treatment for terminal cancer is pain killers, at the end the dosage to control the pain causes your death!

Not with my grandmother, who died of sickle cell cancer. On my watch. Yes, she had strong painkillers. Strong enough to kill the pain. Not strong enough to kill her whole body. The cancer wore her system out. Her heart simply stopped.

An administered overdose that causes death is euthanasia. In your legal setting it is murder.
So obviously nobody talks about it.

Unfortunately I have had first hand experience.

For someone with firsthand experience you sound uncannily alive & kicking.

One of the problems with ending it yourself can be the wherewithal.
I remember one poor sod of a loco driver who had a woman step out from behind a signal box, leaving him no chance to brake.
She was his sixth victim and she stood and stared at him.
He never drove again.

I said exit gracefully.

I had to identify my mother's body, my son will not have the same chore.

Depending on the circumstances he may want to, however gruesome the task, in order "to get closure". Don't deny him that.

[Digit]

Not with my grandmother, who died of sickle cell cancer. On my watch. Yes, she had strong painkillers. Strong enough to kill the pain. Not strong enough to kill her whole body. The cancer wore her system out. Her heart simply stopped

That's how my brother ended, aged 20! Pain killers kill by causing heart failure, as do anesthetics.

Don't deny him that.

I absolutely don't. But imagine finding a loved hanging, or with half their head blown off.
There's nothing graceful about death.

Roy.

[Rokcet Scientist]

imagine finding a loved hanging, or with half their head blown off.
There's nothing graceful about death.

No, don't imagine that!
How Neandertal!
Here's a 'graceful' scenario:
snailmail a physical letter to whom you want to notify of your choice, then go home, have half a dose of GHB which will make you feel great, half an hour later take a quadruple dose, lay down in bed, and die in rapture.
Your body will be found, neatly in bed, 1 or 2 days later by people who will expect to find it, so they will be prepared because you notified them by mail. No innocent bystanders to be endangered or traumatized. No public property to be damaged or destroyed. No schedule to be disrupted.

Want to make sure nobody gets indicted with poisoning you? Film yourself with a mobile phone doing it! You won't need it anymore anyway.
And don't forget to say 'Cheers' to the camera.

You can make GHB in your kitchen. I've got the recepy somewhere.

Of course if you want shock value you can stream that video live onto the internet with a smartphone. Anybody with a browser and the URL which you can send 'm, or post somewhere, can witness the whole procedure live...
And it might also cause some totally unrelated front doors to be kicked in.

[Digit]

Has it not yet occurred to you that as I pointed out many terminally ill might lack access to that sort of thing?
Anybody obtaining such on your behalf would be charged with aiding and abbeting a suicide under UK law.
Your best hope here would be a sympathetic doctor, but he would be taking the same risk.
That they do it I know as his consultant did that for my brother.

Roy.

[Rokcet Scientist]

Has it not yet occurred to you that as I pointed out many terminally ill might lack access to that sort of thing?

It has, which is why one ought to think this through, and prepare well in advance. In my case 17 years in advance. Baden Powell's motto is as valid as ever: "Be prepared!"

Anybody obtaining such on your behalf would be charged with aiding and abbeting a suicide under UK law.

If you are prepared, and "obtain such" yourself, there won't be 'anybody' to be charged.

Your best hope here would be a sympathetic doctor, but he would be taking the same risk.

I think it is unfair to burden anyone with this chore. Relative, friend, or medical person. Which is, again, why you should prepare well in advance, so that you won't need to involve anybody else.

That they do it I know as his consultant did that for my brother.

He was 'lucky' (sorry choice of words...). You better not count on the same 'luck'. Because if you're wrong you're screwed.

[Digit]

All the preparation in the world won't help if you finish in hospital. But to return to prevention.
My wife suffers from type 2 diabetes, she was never in an at risk group, she was simply unlucky, but with control of her diet she lives a normal life, but she does so only because she takes preventive action as opposed to dying unnecessarily.

Roy.