HS went to east Asia before he went to Europe

[Rokcet Scientist]

Early date for Chinese human fossils
By Katia Moskvitch Science reporter, BBC News

Modern humans could have reached East Asia much earlier than believed, according to new evidence.

An international team analysed fossil teeth and part of a jaw unearthed in southern China in 2007.

In the journal PNAS, the scientists say the fragments belonged to a "modern" human who lived 100,000 years ago.
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The study is likely to be controversial: the earliest humans previously known from East Asia were half this age.

Wu Liu from the Chinese Academy of Sciences led the predominantly Chinese team that worked at Zhirendong (Zhiren Cave) fossil site.

US scientist Erik Trinkaus from Washington University in St Louis and R Lawrence Edwards from the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis also took part in the study.

Living together

Dr Trinkaus explained to BBC News that the ancient remains mean modern humans co-existed with our closest relatives - Neanderthals and Neanderthal-like people - across Asia.

"There are some archaic features in the specimen and that suggests to us that these are not just simply modern humans coming out of Eastern Africa, but somewhere along the way they probably intermixed with regional groups of archaic humans," Professor Trinkaus told BBC News.

“There was something that allowed these modern humans to spread across southern Asia, but at the same time they weren't able to spread further North across Asia or into Europe”
Erik Trinkaus Washington University, St Louis, US

"Previous evidence for co-existence was basically between Europe and Western Asia and adjacent part of Africa, but what this suggests is that the geographical range of co-existence spread all the way across Asia, which is an enormous difference.

"This is the first evidence for that."

The remains were spotted by scientist Chang-Zhu Jin during excavations at a site in Southern China.

The researcher was able to distinguish the valuable fossils among "the bones of a whole bunch of other mammals from a little over a 100,000 years ago".

Professor Trinkaus said that in terms of human evolution, the remains showed distinctive modern human features - a lower jaw with a distinctive chin.

"That means that modern humans spread across at least southern Asia some 100,000 years ago," added the scientist.
A cave in China The fossils were discovered at Zhirendong in southern China

"It is interesting because we get the persistence of archaic humans, pre-modern humans, further north across all of Eurasia for another 60,000 years.

"It means that there was something that allowed these modern humans to spread across southern Asia, but at the same time they weren't able to spread further north across Asia or into Europe - they did not [have] this overwhelming superiority that is sometimes attributed to modern humans since they clearly didn't spread across all of the old world at this time period."

Possible controversy

Professor Fred Smith of Illinois State University reviewed the paper for PNAS journal. He said that it was possible such a significant discovery could generate controversy.

"It will remain somewhat controversial because it's only one specimen at one site, but the fact is that it is a very important piece of the puzzle," he told BBC News.

"There's always a possibility that a date is wrong or that something has gone wrong. I don't see any [such] indication, but there's always a possibility of complications that weren't noticed or weren't completely understood.

"I'm sure that there will be some controversy, some people that are going to say: 'Well, this is all well and good, but we need more information to be certain'."

To make sure the study is correct, Professor Smith said scientists will continue their efforts to find more specimens of modern human fossils from southern China.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11618814

[Rokcet Scientist]

Maybe HS went east because Europe was already crowded by HN, HE, and HH? No more room at the inn? They had to detour to find space?

[Digit]

The dating, plus the Neandertal reference extends HSNs territory further east than previous and throws the OOA 70000y ago into confusion.
The NSN part doesn't cause any great difficulty it's simply more knowledge of what areas they occupied.
The HSS dating means that either that date is incorrect or that the 70000y dating is incorrect or, heresy!, that the 70000y migration wasn't OOA but into Africa.
The plot thickens!

Roy.

[Minimalist]

or, heresy!, that the 70000y migration wasn't OOA but into Africa.

[Rokcet Scientist]

or, heresy!, that the 70000y migration wasn't OOA but into Africa.
The plot thickens!

Let me throw another spanner in the works:
Even if assuming the 70,000y ante was the big one, one can't help but wonder how – in that concept – it apparently required hominids to leave Africa to become, somehow, human or modern, and start building civilizations, or however you want to describe it...
As if somehow Africa was not conducive – infertile is another way of putting it – to those developments and hominids needed the stimuli of other continents to get onto the fasttrack to modern humanity.

Opening another Pandora's box of eugenics.



Otoh: fire was probably 'domesticated' between 2 an 3 MYA. In Africa...!

[kbs2244]

There may be a historical replay going on here.

Are any of you old enough to remember how the Soviet’s were always publishing articles about how they were the “first” to discover all kinds of stuff.
From atomic energy to florid fights tooth decay.

The Chinese seem to be following this path.

[Rokcet Scientist]

History is written by the victors.

[kbs2244]

Or by scientists under the thumb of nationalism party theologians.

[Minimalist]

Professor Fred Smith of Illinois State University

Doesn't sound "Chinese."

[Rokcet Scientist]

Professor Fred Smith of Illinois State University

Doesn't sound "Chinese."

"Yuan" does.
And/or maybe his mom was/is Asian...?