More on Southwest NA Cannibalism

[kbs2244]

From today’s news page……..

http://www.archnews.co.uk/world-archaeo ... tribe.html

I love the last sentence.
It will not get him many new contracts among the AZ tribes, but the Ute’s may hire him again.

[Rokcet Scientist]

The dating surprises me: this (lack of) level of civilisation in north America only a little over a thousand years ago...

[Barracuda]

Canabalism is not always about food. Sometimes just ritual.

The White masters terrorized slaves with tales of Natives eating run away slaves....which was actually true in some places. The Arawak indians in Northern Florida did

[Minimalist]

The Donner Party resorted to cannibalism, too.

[Rokcet Scientist]

The Donner Party resorted to cannibalism, too.

Some party...!

[Minimalist]

You had to be there.

[kbs2244]

In today’s world cannibalism is a pretty touchy issue.
But Barracuda is right.
It was often a symbol of complete victory.

I have long suspected that the current SW tribes are not the decedents of the builders of the complex buildings and irrigation systems of the area.
It just has the feel of having been built by someone else that subjugated the current tribal as servants or slaves.
Then in a “slave revolt” theses builders were wiped out.
Literally and symbolically.

But the slaves lacked the will or desire or knowledge to maintain the systems and the area gradually reverted to desert with the inhabitants avoiding the haunted Pueblos and living in semi underground huts.

The Sacred Ridge finding are just one more piece of circumstantial evidence.

[Rokcet Scientist]

In today’s world cannibalism is a pretty touchy issue.
But Barracuda is right.
It was often a symbol of complete victory.

I have long suspected that the current SW tribes are not the decedents of the builders of the complex buildings and irrigation systems of the area.
It just has the feel of having been built by someone else that subjugated the current tribal as servants or slaves.
Then in a “slave revolt” theses builders were wiped out.
Literally and symbolically.

But the slaves lacked the will or desire or knowledge to maintain the systems and the area gradually reverted to desert with the inhabitants avoiding the haunted Pueblos and living in semi underground huts.

The Sacred Ridge finding are just one more piece of circumstantial evidence.

Sounds like Avalon to me.
I think it is what it looks like. No fabulous civilisations in the SW rockies and deserts that magically disappeared – poof! – into thin air. Just dirt poor pueblo Indians barely eeking a living out of the desert. For milennia.

[uniface]

I've never found anything of any value on the Collective Memory aspect of the human experience, but the near-universal sense (no matter how inchoate) that North America was the scene of an all-out racial war before the latest wave of Europeans arrived is one of the best evidences that there is one. Subconsciously the idea of it just rings "true" to people. I don't personally give the Book of Mormon that much credence, but the way the idea motivates its adherents is inarguable. It strikes a chord. The idea found ready (and near-universal) credence in the 19th century -- in part because the Indians' own tales (we never could dignify them with the term "history." Which, as everybody knows, has to be written down, or it can't be history) recounted it -- together with the Great Spirit's warnings to the annihilated that they had to either clean up their collective act or else.

When the earlier arrivals considered the people they encountered here, that same gut sense told them there was no way that they had built the monumental earthworks that were once abundant.

Now it turns out -- and it's hardly a surprise -- that with the increasing ability to gather and interpret forensic evidence, there is increasing evidence of it.

But of course that's "circular reasoning" . . .

[Rokcet Scientist]

[...] the near-universal sense (no matter how inchoate) that North America was the scene of an all-out racial war before the latest wave of Europeans arrived is one of the best evidences that there is one. Subconsciously the idea of it just rings "true" to people. I don't personally give the Book of Mormon that much credence, but the way the idea motivates its adherents is inarguable. It strikes a chord. [...]

Yeah, it strikes a bullshit chord! Just like the bible, the Qur'An, the Veda, Mein Kampf, and Mao's red booklet did! People want to hear BS! Because they are scared of reality.

[uniface]

I don't think our difference is so much that I'm thinking outside the box and you're thinking inside the box as it is that the box you're thinking in is much too small.

[Digit]

Subconsciously the idea of it just rings "true" to people

So, to some, does the Bible, Quran, Elvis still lives, the Earth is flat etc etc etc.

Roy.

[Minimalist]

I don't personally give the Book of Mormon that much credence, but the way the idea motivates its adherents is inarguable.

That hardly makes them unique, though.

[Digit]

Exactly!

Roy.

[kbs2244]

So..
Have we decided that an un-sophisticated, but devoted, majority can overcome a more “advanced,” but minority ruled civilization?