Hey that's a weird footprint (or footprint-looking mark or whatever)... looks a little bit smallish. I'd like to see more of that!Fortuneteller wrote:Is this imprinted into the stone? How could it get there? Please advise!...sandaled left footprint...
Bosnian pyramids, photos
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Not a shoe
A geologist I know says "It looks like an elongate, possibly disc-shaped concretion, that broke in two when the rock enclosing it fractured. As a result, what is seen in the picture is a surface with ridges, step-fractures, created
when it broke in two."
when it broke in two."
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that broke in two when the rock enclosing it fractured
Aha!!! And who broke it?
Pyramid Builders.
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Whatever the slope, it doesn't look manmade.
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NOT an archaeological dig
This farce gets sillier and sillier. Aside from Osmanagic's looney Atlantian rantings, the endless pictures of natural rock formations, the false claims of compass alignments, and the general media circus this dig is in no way proceeding according to proper archaeological methods.
The very first rule of an archaeological dig is to PRESERVE AND PROTECT whatever materials a site might have. This is rule #1 as any student of archaeology knows, and quite rightly so. This clearly is not occuring as the many pictures purporting to "prove" this hill is a pyramid shows. What is shown is hordes of people trampling all over the dig site, families with their children, media crews, and other hangers on. No real archaeologist would stand for that, much less encourage it, but Osmanagic is obviously more interested in producing a media storm than following the strictures of a proper archaeological dig. This is a shame and a travesty on a hill known to hold legitimate archaeological sites. What real archaeological treasures are being destroyed so that this hack, Osmanagic, can continue to play at being Indiana Jones? Hell, he even wears the damn hat. NEVER trust an "archaeologist" in an Indiana Jones hat.
Here is what I predict will happen: The academics will move on past this fraud but the "true believers" will still cling to their discredited ideas. Like other sites caught up in the looney nexus of "Atlantian Theory" the true believers will point to these "pyramids" as yet more proof of some massive coverup conspiracy (like the secret "Hall of Knowledge" under the paw of the Sphinx) and no amount of evidence will shake their faith. In truth, that has pretty much already happened. Kinda pathetic really.
The very first rule of an archaeological dig is to PRESERVE AND PROTECT whatever materials a site might have. This is rule #1 as any student of archaeology knows, and quite rightly so. This clearly is not occuring as the many pictures purporting to "prove" this hill is a pyramid shows. What is shown is hordes of people trampling all over the dig site, families with their children, media crews, and other hangers on. No real archaeologist would stand for that, much less encourage it, but Osmanagic is obviously more interested in producing a media storm than following the strictures of a proper archaeological dig. This is a shame and a travesty on a hill known to hold legitimate archaeological sites. What real archaeological treasures are being destroyed so that this hack, Osmanagic, can continue to play at being Indiana Jones? Hell, he even wears the damn hat. NEVER trust an "archaeologist" in an Indiana Jones hat.
Here is what I predict will happen: The academics will move on past this fraud but the "true believers" will still cling to their discredited ideas. Like other sites caught up in the looney nexus of "Atlantian Theory" the true believers will point to these "pyramids" as yet more proof of some massive coverup conspiracy (like the secret "Hall of Knowledge" under the paw of the Sphinx) and no amount of evidence will shake their faith. In truth, that has pretty much already happened. Kinda pathetic really.
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Re: NOT an archaeological dig
Yeah, just like the people that believed that Houdini had magical superpowers even as he said that they were just tricks, there will be a bunch of hardcore pyramid fanatics that will believe there's a pyramid under visoko hill, whatever they tell them. And every proof that there's no pyramid will be called a coverup lie.FreeThinker wrote:Here is what I predict will happen: The academics will move on past this fraud but the "true believers" will still cling to their discredited ideas. Like other sites caught up in the looney nexus of "Atlantian Theory" the true believers will point to these "pyramids" as yet more proof of some massive coverup conspiracy (like the secret "Hall of Knowledge" under the paw of the Sphinx) and no amount of evidence will shake their faith. In truth, that has pretty much already happened. Kinda pathetic really.
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Bosnia hasn't gotten this much publicity since Gavrilo Princip.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
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i am just wondering what the picture with the two ladies prove? that bosnian women are stacked better than korean ones?
but in all seriousnes, the adherents of this 'pyramid' are not posting anything of substance. the picture of the two ladies is just a picture of two ladies inthe woods. whooppee!!
there is no hard data coming from Os' camp, nothing to sink our teeth into nothing to illustrate that this is a serious dig, just manipulated letters and stones. it is time to put up something more than a bait and switch photo.
stan, you are getting as bad as ciko and posting the same picture over and over again.This is what he needs to get the job done!
but in all seriousnes, the adherents of this 'pyramid' are not posting anything of substance. the picture of the two ladies is just a picture of two ladies inthe woods. whooppee!!
there is no hard data coming from Os' camp, nothing to sink our teeth into nothing to illustrate that this is a serious dig, just manipulated letters and stones. it is time to put up something more than a bait and switch photo.
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I thought some of the newer correspondents might enjoy seeing the
"giant digging machine" Os needs. IT's a whopper!
Besides, no one seemed to think it my little joke was funny the first time I posted it!
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Ouch!...but not "over and over," just "over"...stan, you are getting as bad as ciko and posting the same picture over and over again.
I thought some of the newer correspondents might enjoy seeing the
"giant digging machine" Os needs. IT's a whopper!
Besides, no one seemed to think it my little joke was funny the first time I posted it!
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Beagel, thanks for the link.
There are several theories about the first inhabitants of Bosnia. Here are a couple of sites:
http://www.oldstoneage.com/montetwhite/kadar.html
http://www.oldstoneage.com/montetwhite/ ... ction.html
Doug mentioned Ms. Zilka Kujundjic Vejzovic. This lady promised to prove that the first inhabitants were there 100 000 years ago.
When it comes to the first inhabitants of the area that includes Sarajevo, Visoko and Tuzla, there are several theories. I mentioned the time period of 7000 years because, it covers all of them (I think.) However, the time frame is totally irrelevant for this discussion. My point was that Os is not preserving the hill.
The opposition accused him of:
“The amateurish diggs of October 2005 have destroyed numerous Neolithic or pre-Neolithic tombs, while the slabs used originally for paving of the graves were presented to the public as “the walls which build the pyramids”. Several complete human skeletons were dug out, and those appeared only briefly in a media report; soon after they simply vanished from the public eye.”
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/NoPyramidsInBosnia/
Again and again, Os is accused of hiding the relevant information, doctoring the reports, etc.
As Doug pointed out "One of such subjects is the study of the urbanistic structure of the medieval capital of Visoki. Andjelic presents this urban structure through two complex ensambles. The older one is the medieval town of Visoki, on the Visocica hill, consisting of the fortress, the settlement next to it, protected by walls, and another settlement outside the walls, a graveyard and a house of the Bosnian Christians."
I am interested in the Bosnian Church. We know virtually nothing about the religion. I was hoping that something will be discovered during these excavations, but as you know, it looks as if the site will be lost forever.
By the way, Visoko TV reported that Kirsten Juhl from University of Stavanger, Norway and Thomas J. Parsons, director of forensic sciences, ICMP with his team visit the Pyramid. Does anybody know these characters?
A friend of mine, who is a journalist in Sarajevo (no, he does not work for Os) told me today that the scientific reports about the pyramids have been promised by the end of June.
This friend also brought to my attention that I made a mistake when I referred to Prof. Osmanagic in the context of a doctored report. Prof. Osmanagic, who is the father of our Os, was actually teaching at the Faculty of Mining, Geology and Civil Engineering in Tuzla and at the Faculty of Mechanical Engineering in Sarajevo. He has a Ph.D. in mining engineering and his research results are published all over the world. Prof. Osmanagic was successful manager in the mining industry and he has very successful political carrier.
http://www.bosnjaci.net/dobri_bosnjani.php?id=185
My apologies for the incorrect information, but it does not change my position. The report was doctored.
There are several theories about the first inhabitants of Bosnia. Here are a couple of sites:
http://www.oldstoneage.com/montetwhite/kadar.html
http://www.oldstoneage.com/montetwhite/ ... ction.html
Doug mentioned Ms. Zilka Kujundjic Vejzovic. This lady promised to prove that the first inhabitants were there 100 000 years ago.
When it comes to the first inhabitants of the area that includes Sarajevo, Visoko and Tuzla, there are several theories. I mentioned the time period of 7000 years because, it covers all of them (I think.) However, the time frame is totally irrelevant for this discussion. My point was that Os is not preserving the hill.
The opposition accused him of:
“The amateurish diggs of October 2005 have destroyed numerous Neolithic or pre-Neolithic tombs, while the slabs used originally for paving of the graves were presented to the public as “the walls which build the pyramids”. Several complete human skeletons were dug out, and those appeared only briefly in a media report; soon after they simply vanished from the public eye.”
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/NoPyramidsInBosnia/
Again and again, Os is accused of hiding the relevant information, doctoring the reports, etc.
As Doug pointed out "One of such subjects is the study of the urbanistic structure of the medieval capital of Visoki. Andjelic presents this urban structure through two complex ensambles. The older one is the medieval town of Visoki, on the Visocica hill, consisting of the fortress, the settlement next to it, protected by walls, and another settlement outside the walls, a graveyard and a house of the Bosnian Christians."
I am interested in the Bosnian Church. We know virtually nothing about the religion. I was hoping that something will be discovered during these excavations, but as you know, it looks as if the site will be lost forever.
By the way, Visoko TV reported that Kirsten Juhl from University of Stavanger, Norway and Thomas J. Parsons, director of forensic sciences, ICMP with his team visit the Pyramid. Does anybody know these characters?
A friend of mine, who is a journalist in Sarajevo (no, he does not work for Os) told me today that the scientific reports about the pyramids have been promised by the end of June.
This friend also brought to my attention that I made a mistake when I referred to Prof. Osmanagic in the context of a doctored report. Prof. Osmanagic, who is the father of our Os, was actually teaching at the Faculty of Mining, Geology and Civil Engineering in Tuzla and at the Faculty of Mechanical Engineering in Sarajevo. He has a Ph.D. in mining engineering and his research results are published all over the world. Prof. Osmanagic was successful manager in the mining industry and he has very successful political carrier.
http://www.bosnjaci.net/dobri_bosnjani.php?id=185
My apologies for the incorrect information, but it does not change my position. The report was doctored.
Thanks for the links. And it does seem that Os is not taking a very scientific approach to his venture, as he is evidently having unskilled folks digging and running all over the hill.
It seems to me that funding is becoming or has been a big problem. That may account for a lot of the circus-like media atmosphere present over there. And it doesn't seem that we're getting all the info.
June will tell us lot I hope, when another team of scientists get there.
It seems to me that funding is becoming or has been a big problem. That may account for a lot of the circus-like media atmosphere present over there. And it doesn't seem that we're getting all the info.
June will tell us lot I hope, when another team of scientists get there.