Göbekli Tepe

[kbs2244]

From another site:

http://talkingskull.com/article/g%C3%B6 ... remastered

A different argument as to what and why it was there.
It seems to be as good as any I have read.

[Barracuda]

Total speculation, but as you say, as good as any other

[Minimalist]

A scholarly paper on the subject from the German Arch. Institute from 2010.

http://arheologija.ff.uni-lj.si/documen ... /37_21.pdf

[circumspice]

A scholarly paper on the subject from the German Arch. Institute from 2010.

http://arheologija.ff.uni-lj.si/documen ... /37_21.pdf

I really enjoyed this paper. The photos are spectacular. Thanks min!

[E.P. Grondine]

Nice summary here as well:

http://www.philipcoppens.com/gobekli.html

Karahan Tepe, anyone?

In my opinion, the answers lie in the quarries.

Even if there were wood precedents, I note that we're seeing an entirely new stone technology without nearby antecedents.

[circumspice]

Nice summary here as well:

http://www.philipcoppens.com/gobekli.html

Karahan Tepe, anyone?

In my opinion, the answers lie in the quarries.

Even if there were wood precedents, I note that we're seeing an entirely new stone technology without nearby antecedents.

I distrust any website which makes copious use of catchwords such as revealed and unveiled. This site is full of such words.
Ancient aliens and Eric Von Danikan are also mentioned on this website.
Phillip Coppens is just another Graham Hancock or Eric Von Danikan.

[Tiompan]

Nice summary here as well:

http://www.philipcoppens.com/gobekli.html

Karahan Tepe, anyone?

In my opinion, the answers lie in the quarries.

Even if there were wood precedents, I note that we're seeing an entirely new stone technology without nearby antecedents.

I distrust any website which makes copious use of catchwords such as revealed and unveiled. This site is full of such words.
Ancient aliens and Eric Von Danikan are also mentioned on this website.
Phillip Coppens is just another Graham Hancock or Eric Von Danikan.

Agree .

Ted Banning has an interesting view ,apologies if this has been mentioned previously .
http://www.heritagedaily.com/2011/10/ar ... es-at-all/
George

[E.P. Grondine]

I distrust any website which makes copious use of catchwords such as revealed and unveiled. This site is full of such words.
Ancient aliens and Eric Von Danikan are also mentioned on this website.
Phillip Coppens is just another Graham Hancock or Eric Von Danikan.

Thanks for the note on "revealed" and "unveiled". I had not noticed that technique before.
It does add excitement and mystery to a piece of writing.

Phillip Coppens is not as successful financially as Graham Hancock or Eric von Danikan.
It's also interesting how well Graham Hancock and von Danikan speak of Coppens.
Compared to their works, Coppens' short notes are succinct and very well researched.

What I think Coppens has been following is Andrew Collins' work on Gobleki Tepe, on which more in my next post.

[E.P. Grondine]

Andrew Collins has a new book out on Gobekli Tepe.
When it gets to small paperback, I'll pitch my $6 to see what all he has to say.
http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/artic ... ystery.htm

It is interesting to note how Collins adopted Firestone's cometary injection mechanism.

http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/artic ... erview.htm

http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/news/gobekli_eden.htm

http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/artic ... temple.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnLCsNkEgoE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo0sxT7nIJ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEXYpvYiPww

To my knowledge Collins was the first to try to track down and at least partially identify the Giants of the Ancient Near East with any degree of reliability, and his book on Atlantis was a fine survey of medieval knowledge of the Atlantic Ocean.

But as in those books, I'm pretty sure that Collins has missed in several details this time as well.

I'm pretty sure that X mt DNA evolved in the Black Sea area before it was flooded after the Holocene Start Impacts, and not around Lake Van, Turkey. I am also pretty sure that "Eden" was around Lake Urmiah, in northern Iran, and I would like to make a visit (haj) there someday - say with a Moslem friend or a member of the Palestinian Antiquities Authority.

Tuesday is the first of the month, $1 Falafel day locally. Very nice, though not as good quite as my favorite place.

[circumspice]

I'm pretty sure that X mt DNA evolved in the Black Sea area before it was flooded after the Holocene Start Impacts, and not around Lake Van, Turkey. I am also pretty sure that "Eden" was around Lake Urmiah, in northern Iran, and I would like to make a visit (haj) there someday - say with a Moslem friend or a member of the Palestinian Antiquities Authority.

Tuesday is the first of the month, $1 Falafel day locally. Very nice, though not as good quite as my favorite place.

Huh?

[E.P. Grondine]

What's the problem?

If you want to find remains of our ancient ancestors, then you have to understand the ancient landscape, the plants that grew in it, and know at least a little about the behavior of the animals that lived in it.

The ancient landscape differed from today's.

[Cognito]

The ancient landscape differed from today's.

Good point ... and the understatement of the year.

Not only was there a 120 meter drop in sea levels at the height of the LGM, but Eurasia and North America would not be recognizable by anyone today. This is something that writers tend to ignore when dealing with the Pleistocene.

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi Cog -

One of the real problems for me is NE North America during the late Pleistocene. The geologists show one version of the ice sheet and drainage flows, while the distribution of points demonstrates another scenario entirely.

Back to the Black Sea region, it seems likely to me that the rise in sea levels had a severe effect on the X mt DNA haplogroup - they emigrated from the area. There is going to be some really significant archaeology done on the floor of the Black Sea, and the results will be stunning. But due to the depth, surveys will be carried out by autonomous rovers and excavations by people in submarines or operating robots.

While discussion here has focused on the Africa-Asia coast, little consideration has been given here to the coasts of the larger inland lakes.

Moving back to the Gobleki Tepe, perhaps there were earlier local versions of structure made out of wood; the area may have been forested with large old growth trees. We know there were large trees were nearby, just south by boat.

I have not read the full paleo biology report, I'm hoping its in that 2010 file. The sources for the chert found at Gobekli Tepe may throw some light on this.

The most interesting part of this for everyone in this is the quarrying of large stones and their movement, and there were no nearby antecedents that I know of.

My opinion is that the lead site excavator could set up a separate excavation team just to work at the quarry. I don't think that there would be any problem with finding a fully funded partner for this, and it would greatly speed things along.

For that matter, in my opinion the best way to handle "cult archaeology" in general will be through work at the quarries for large stones, as that is the exact bafflement they exploit.

On a final note here today, Gobekli Tepe was built right after the Holocene Start Impacts.