Atlantis?

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Atlantis?

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At least this matches Plato's description:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42072469/ns ... e-science/

I have always been a Santorini fan, but tis matches Plato's description much better
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Yes.

Congratulations, Sheppard:

http://www.minoanatlantis.com/Minoan_Spain.php

Note the impact mega-tsunami strata covering the new site.

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It's a lot more sensible than many I've heard of. I'd love it to be true!
Do wonders for European tourism!

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Well, with some trepidation, I say “Good for them.”

If NG is willing to put some money and prestige behind them, there must be some fire behind the smoke.

It will be fun to watch the pros and cons fire fight this releases.
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......there must be some fire behind the smoke.
Make that a 'might be'....add $1.00 and you've bought yourself a cup of coffee. Nothing more.
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Digit wrote:It's a lot more sensible than many I've heard of. I'd love it to be true!
Do wonders for European tourism!

Roy.

Yeah....but.

http://www.helike.org/
In 373 BC, a catastrophic earthquake and tsunami destroyed and submerged the ancient Greek city of Helike, on the southwest shore of the Gulf of Corinth. The sunken city gradually silted over until it disappeared without a trace. Ancient writers ascribed the disaster to the wrath of Poseidon, god of earthquakes and the sea.
Plato would have been about 55 years old when this Greek town slid into the Gulf of Corinth. Seems far more likely that this was the inspiration for his little morality tale which appeared in Critias, one of his later dialogues. When we were in Greece it was but a short bus ride from Athens to Corinth. It's unthinkable that Plato living nearby at the time it happened would not have known about Helike.
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See the article here:

http://blogs.courant.com/roger_catlin_t ... antis.html

with evidence of an impact mega-tsunami
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Actually, they say an earthquake and tsunami.....as shown by recent events in Japan and the Indian Ocean these can be deadly.

Still...... this "Atlantis" stuff gets tiresome.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.

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Minimalist wrote:
Actually, they say an earthquake and tsunami.....as shown by recent events in Japan and the Indian Ocean these can be deadly.

Still...... this "Atlantis" stuff gets tiresome.
While archaeologists are unused to working with impact mega-tsunami and tsunami, tsunami specialists such as Ted Bryant and Dallas Abbott are not.

The easy way to tell a tsunami from an impact mega-tsunami is simply by its force: imagine if you will a tsunami like the one in Japan, but 10-20 a high moving 10-20 times as fast.

My estimate is that the Spanish arcaeologists are probably dealing with an impact mega-tsunami at 2,360 BCE, but time will tell as the data comes in.

Atlantis sells pretty good, Min. Along with golf, cats, and nazis. As in
"Golfing for Cats in Atlantis:
a History of the Flying Saucers of the Fourth Reich"
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EP, from what I recall, the area of Tartessos was inundated by a tsunami circa 600bce. The reason for the Phoenicians establishing Gadeira was to trade with Tartessos and that was circa 1100bce. Anything striking occur in the Atlantic around the prior time frame?
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"Golfing for Cats in Atlantis:
a History of the Flying Saucers of the Fourth Reich"
:lol:


Good one, E.P.
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Well, Plato talks about a submerged continent bigger than Ancient Lybia and Asia Minor combined, and that does not exist in South Spain.

Eratosthenes of Cyrene estimated the circumference of the earth with a remarkable precision. Althought plato story was stated earlier, It is certain that Greeks knew clearly that the world did not end at mediterranium borders. This is just to justify the other Atlantis hypotesis in present Indonesia. Indonesia was in fact part of a large continent before the end of the last ice age, wich was submerged in a violent and quick event (there seems to be some agreement on this). Some ancient civilization might have existed in that area from Indonesia to Coastal India. Several underwater structures have been found so the question remains.
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Plato's construction of the Atlantis myth is discussed in my book "Man and Impact in the Americas", with each fragment he used outlined, including the Great Atlantic impact mega-tsunami.

It's available through interlibrary loan.
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