The Hooked X

[E.P. Grondine]

There's a difference between writing a book of history and writing a book of fiction which seems to be beyond you.

Wow - thanks. A judgement before you even read it.

Having written both fiction and history, I can tell you that writing history is far more difficult than writing fiction or writing fiction set in another time.

What is the title of your book of historical fiction, anyway?
If I know its title, I can at least take a look.
(Does it have any sex scenes? My fiction writing does.)
You already know the title of my book on impacts.

Then by all means take your credentials to Cahokia and demand to have him fired and for you, with your vast experience and knowledge, to be installed in his place.

Sorry, OAS, but it's as likely that I'll take your advice, as it is that you'll take mine.

I mean - that is what you are saying, that you know more about archaeology than he does, is it not?

No, that's not what I said.
But I do know enough about archaeology to recognize a serious mistake.

Please - do try that and report back on the reception you recieve. Try it in all the other sites where you find the guys with 20-30 years experience lacking when compared to your one weekend digging in your mayor's back yard. I imagine we'd all love to hear how that goes for you.

Again, its not likely that I'll take your advice.

For your information, I have never had any trouble talking with site managers. Ever.
But then to my knowledge none of them has formally excavated a major site with a bulldozer.

Like I told you before, Dr. Iseminger will have to try to explain what happened to both his peers in SEAC and to the Native American community.

Ill probably hear about it then.

I thought that discussion was over but clearly, something about it still rankles in you.

OAS, I suppose we're just on way different paths.
You asked for opinions, and I gave you mine.
"The Hooked X" is a crock of shit.

Perhaps someday when you studied this topic a little more, you will understand why.

[oldarchystudent]

We're having a few conversations here EP - so just to clear the haze a little:

The Hooked X - I did indeed ask for opinions and read yours with the same interest I read everyone else's. I'll get back round to reading it and post when I'm done with my reaction. I don't have the problems you have with it to this point, although I do think he's jumping to an unsupported opinion by calling the KRS a land claim marker. That's the only criticism I had after a couple of chapters. I'm assuming you did actually read it to come to your opinion?

Cahokia etc - the Google book reference you cited in an earlier exchange on this worn-out topic was about the use of heavy equipment to repair slumping damage to Monks Mound, not for excavation. So unless you have another incident you have not mentioned, I'd suggest you dump the bitterness. If you can't do that, then please remember that you can carry that bitterness if you must, but you don't get to make up your own facts to try to justify it. That's the conversation I had hoped we had shut down a while back but you seem intent on carrying a little farther....

My book - I'll take your word for it on the difficulties of fiction vs non-fiction as I have only written the one book, and I know the research into that took me a few years. The name is "In Nomine Patris", it's available on Amazon and in my opinion, it has some good moments but overall it's amateurish and needs a good editor. It isn't selling well at all, but I enjoyed writing it so I'm happy.

[E.P. Grondine]

The Hooked X - I did indeed ask for opinions and read yours with the same interest I read everyone else's. I'll get back round to reading it and post when I'm done with my reaction. I don't have the problems you have with it to this point, although I do think he's jumping to an unsupported opinion by calling the KRS a land claim marker. That's the only criticism I had after a couple of chapters. I'm assuming you did actually read it to come to your opinion?

Jim Pratt of Guelf, Ontario, I believe?

"I have started work on a second book. All I'm saying right now is that it's an archaeological suspense story set in Nova Scotia. I'm having fun with it already."

On Vikings in the Americas?

Which was dropped for "Hunger in Calais"?

I listened to Wolters discuss his "hypothesis" via the internet, and there were so many horrendous errors and "leaps of faith" that I went no further.
A a house of cards.

Please read Peter James' book "Ancient Mysteries" and Farley Mowat's "The Farfarers".

While the fascination with Vikings in America can be successfully milked for fiction, the real world was far different.

Cahokia etc - the Google book reference you cited in an earlier exchange on this worn-out topic was about the use of heavy equipment to repair slumping damage to Monks Mound, not for excavation. So unless you have another incident you have not mentioned, I'd suggest you dump the bitterness. If you can't do that, then please remember that you can carry that bitterness if you must, but you don't get to make up your own facts to try to justify it. That's the conversation I had hoped we had shut down a while back but you seem intent on carrying a little farther....

That was Iseminger's own book I linked to. I wonder what the title of his SEAC paper will be,
"Controlled Excavation with a Bulldozer"?

I think that's its likely that he did not plan it that way, but that's what ended up happening - and he did not cover that in his book.

My book - I'll take your word for it on the difficulties of fiction vs non-fiction as I have only written the one book, and I know the research into that took me a few years. The name is "In Nomine Patris", it's available on Amazon and in my opinion, it has some good moments but overall it's amateurish and needs a good editor. It isn't selling well at all, but I enjoyed writing it so I'm happy.

All of the tools you are using now were not available to me when I wrote my book.
Lulu to start with. And the promotion tools you use were unavailable, and I really don't have the time to deal with them now - typing itself is difficult for me.

Medieval England is a snore.

If you had of thrown in Templars and Masons, perhaps your book would have done better commercially.

Now the career of Harald the Viking, there's some real meat for a book.

[oldarchystudent]

Jim Pratt of Guelf, Ontario, I believe?

"I have started work on a second book. All I'm saying right now is that it's an archaeological suspense story set in Nova Scotia. I'm having fun with it already."

On Vikings in the Americas?

Which was dropped for "Hunger in Calais"?

Guelph - but essentially correct, although I prefer to keep my real name off of these message boards. Too late for that now, I guess.

No I never had a project on Vikings in the Americas, but the Nova Scotia book was a story about an oopart which turns out to be nothing but creates hysteria, something of a parody of what you like to talk about. I ended up re-working it as a short story but never submitted it anywhere for publication.

"Hunger in Calais" is a working title for a novel on the Siege of Calais during the Hundred Years War, focused on one of the "Burghers of Calais" made famous in Rodin's sculpture. I got about six chapters in and stalled on the work.

I listened to Wolters discuss his "hypothesis" via the internet, and there were so many horrendous errors and "leaps of faith" that I went no further.

So - you haven't actually read the book then. Dare I ask what his supposed errors and leaps of faith were, in your opinion?

I think that's its likely that he did not plan it that way, but that's what ended up happening - and he did not cover that in his book.

emphasis mine...

So - you don't really know what you're talking about here - just surmising and deciding that you don't want him to be right at all costs. Guesswork. Kinda what you accuse Wolper of. Unless you come up with some evidence it's hard to take your accusations seriously. Again - we've beat this horse to death long ago - do we really need to keep going on this conversation? You don't like him - I get it......

If you had of thrown in Templars and Masons, perhaps your book would have done better commercially.

Probably. I did use the popular medieval phrase "drunk as a Templar" in the first novel and it does feature William the Marshall, who was buried in Temple Church, but that's as far as it went - nothing on the scale of Dan Brown. If I could just figure out how to work vampires into Calais I'll have a guaranteed bestseller. That's the hot item these days, it seems.

[E.P. Grondine]

Guelph - but essentially correct, although I prefer to keep my real name off of these message boards. Too late for that now, I guess.

I don't do that, as I started using the internet when it was largely academic text and required some level of intelligence to use.

No I never had a project on Vikings in the Americas, but the Nova Scotia book was a story about an oopart which turns out to be nothing but creates hysteria, something of a parody of what you like to talk about. I ended up re-working it as a short story but never submitted it anywhere for publication.

The market for short stories is dead, and that includes Science Fiction short stories as well.

"Hunger in Calais" is a working title for a novel on the Siege of Calais during the Hundred Years War, focused on one of the "Burghers of Calais" made famous in Rodin's sculpture. I got about six chapters in and stalled on the work.

If there's one thing more of a snore than medieval England, it's medieval France.
Throw in serfdom, and its a dead dog covered with flies.
I don't even think it would appeal to medieval military re-enactors, as the battles you've chosen are a snore as well. Now with Genoese and German mercenaries, you might have something.

As it is you've got starvation and plagues.
Throw in the Quebecois, and the Church, and it's no wonder you stopped writing.
How about Canadian content? Say a bio of Pierre Trudeau's wife.

Is there any way to add teen vampires and Masons and Templars to any of it?

If you don't like the life of Harald the Viking, there's always the story of Rimini and the House of Bacardi and their China trade waiting to be done. Beautiful setting, beautiful people, and intrigue.

So - you haven't actually read the book then. Dare I ask what his supposed errors and leaps of faith were, in your opinion?

Like I mentioned before, read Peter James' book and Farley Mowat's book and Appendix A of Man and Impact, and take it from there.

To sum up: yet another imaginary Empire of Europeans in the Americas

So - you don't really know what you're talking about here - just surmising and deciding that you don't want him to be right at all costs. Guesswork.

Jim, the bottom line here is that somehow the bulldozer that was supposed to remove the modern fill dirt ended up digging into undisturbed levels.

That's what happened, and everyone knows it was way wrong.

It was so wrong that when we started in on this topic, I though that Iseminger should be fired immediately. But due to your pleading, I think Iseminger at least deserves a chance to explain how it came about, and how he was unable to stop it.

You don't like him - I get it......

I didn't even know his name, and I've never met him. Due to your pleading, I realize that perhaps some terrible misfortune prevented him from stopping the bulldozer immediately when it hit undisturbed levels.

If you had of thrown in Templars and Masons, perhaps your book would have done better commercially.

Probably. I did use the popular medieval phrase "drunk as a Templar" in the first novel and it does feature William the Marshall, who was buried in Temple Church, but that's as far as it went - nothing on the scale of Dan Brown. If I could just figure out how to work vampires into Calais I'll have a guaranteed bestseller. That's the hot item these days, it seems.

It has to be TEEN vampires, OAS.
And very very handsome and beautiful TEEN Vampires.

Forget about Calais. Somehow you have to figure out how to have Templars and Masons battle very very handsome/beautiful teenage vampires somewhere in medieval Europe.

[oldarchystudent]

If there's one thing more of a snore than medieval England, it's medieval France.
Throw in serfdom, and its a dead dog covered with flies.

Maybe if I included a helpful guide on how not to get mugged in medieval Calais???

Maybe not - I guess then that you'll be about as big a fan of my book as I will be of yours. Fair exchange.

Jim, the bottom line here is that somehow the bulldozer that was supposed to remove the modern fill dirt ended up digging into undisturbed levels.

Then by all means EP - take your crusade to SEAC and demand he be flogged. I don't know about everyone else, but your constant winge on this is becoming very tiresome to me.

[E.P. Grondine]

If there's one thing more of a snore than medieval England, it's medieval France.
Throw in serfdom, and its a dead dog covered with flies.

Maybe if I included a helpful guide on how not to get mugged in medieval Calais???

Nah - now if you had a book on the Norse or English in Ireland, and how not to get mugged in Belfast, then it might work.

Maybe not - I guess then that you'll be about as big a fan of my book as I will be of yours.
Fair exchange.

A little catch - You haven't written the Calais one yet.

Jim, the bottom line here is that somehow the bulldozer that was supposed to remove the modern fill dirt ended up digging into undisturbed levels.

Then by all means EP - take your crusade to SEAC and demand he be flogged. I don't know about everyone else, but your constant winge on this is becoming very tiresome to me.

Sorry, but no flogging, Jim.
I'm sure Iseminger has already heard from many people about this.
In the case of this little disaster, I'm sure many would like to know how it happened, so it can be prevented from happening again.

[oldarchystudent]

A little catch - You haven't written the Calais one yet.

I was referring to In Nomine Patris, but perhaps I needed to be specific for you.

Sorry, but no flogging, Jim.
I'm sure Iseminger has already heard from many people about this.
In the case of this little disaster, I'm sure many would like to know how it happened, so it can be prevented from happening again.

...and just in case anyone forgets, I'm sure you'll be there to drone on about it ad infinitum....

Can we get back on topic now? Has anyone ELSE read the Hooked X? How about Barry Fell's "America BC" which I believe was mentioned earlier?

[E.P. Grondine]

I was referring to "In Nomine Patris", but perhaps I needed to be specific for you.

Yeah, it helps to be specific with me, Red. I'm pretty slow now.
A professional "samurai" can turn out a piece on anything; one of them I met used to write "redeeming social value" to pack porn pictures with to finance his SF.

Handsome and beautiful Teen vampires versus Masons and Templars, Red. It should be a week's work.

Where will you set it?

You won't need muggings, as you should have some great fights there.

...and just in case anyone forgets, I'm sure you'll be there to drone on about it ad infinitum....

No luck there. I have to drone on and on about impact events.
The only way it will come up is if I need a common gripe to keep the conversation going, with someone who is "sceptical" about impacts.

Can we get back on topic now? Has anyone ELSE read the Hooked X? How about Barry Fell's "America BC" which I believe was mentioned earlier?

Yes, I read "America BC" and found it fascinating.

But it was more likely that ancient European mariners came to New England for large logs for their large dugout ships as Europe was deforested, rather than going there for gold.

While I am very "sceptical" of much of Fell's later "epigraphic" work, I do think that the Grave Creek inscription is legitimate.

[clubs_stink]

A complete crock of shit by Scott Wolters, in which he ties the Kensington Rune Stone into theosophist cult "archaeology". "This journey has been nothing short of amazing as it winds through the mysterious worlds of the medieval Cistercians, the Knights Templar, and modern Freemasonry," as Wolters puts it. In theosophist cult archaeology, Masonry is a Luciferian Brotherhood established by Melchisedek. Wolters knows his market; you can write me for a free copy of my guide inside it.

The Five Nations well dated memories of the Norse may be found in "Man and Impact in the Americas".

Other than that, read Farley Mowat's The Farfarers.

Not sure what you're smoking, but you must have got hold of some bad stuff.

Clearly you didn't read the book. I am not sure what NA community you think you're tied into but they must be having a ball messing with you. Having read all your posts on this thread and others I can do nothing more than laugh.

The hooked x is valid. There was a journey to North America by Henry. Tim Wallace-Murphy had some help in his research and access to things you can only dream of. Templars do not=masons, and pardon my french but WTF is your lucifarian nonsense? Who believes in that crap? Wolters did his homework but his book needed to be polished..he also did not have access to certain things that would have cleared up some of his Templar errors. He calls it speculation when he talks about Knights Templar/Cistercian heresies, links to Masonic "sacred geometry", and the whole "DaVinci Code" connection, but again he had NO ACCESS to any information that might have aided him in this and it is indeed speculation. His work in proving the date and impossibility of the stone being hoaxed is enough.

NA's are in agreement of the Templar visit (we shall call them templars for convenience). In fact MicMaqs honor Henry to this day, and his kin....Theosophy is crap, channeled crap, it got intertwined with some sects of freemasonry, but those people were nutters, just like the new age nutters today claiming aliens are coming to save us from the end of the world in December. WHO gives channeled nutters any credit for anything? Theosphy has nothing to do with Templars, and nothing to do with Henry, and nothing to do with the hooked x. Except some nutter freemasons of the WRONG ilk got involved in it....they've served a terrific front.

In any case being an insider on this makes it illuminating to read the crap the bellicose and egoistic bombastic blowhards who can fool others with their hot air...LOL

FYI unless YOU are a NA medicine person, I can promise YOU that YOU will never know our stories. EVER. You will be told stories...truth mixed with fiction...too bad you don't know NA culture that deeply....or as deeply as you think you do.

As far as other Templar associated issues in NA, Oak Island for example...what was there is no longer there and it was taken from the water, not the land. I am disappointed the artifacts are hidden from the world, but based on YOUR posts, minds are cemented shut and these things are best remained hidden.

Glad to read that you know everything and that everything you know is right. Keep up the good work.

[uniface]

Damn ! Every time I give up on this place, something interesting breaks out. You guys must be playing keep-away or something ("Wait 'til he leaves . . .").

Ross's "work" features the Allegewi (an imaginary tribal name made up by a frontiersman)

Who named the Allegheny River that runs through Pittsburgh (in Allegheny County) ?

Berry Fell's books, IMHO, are excellent.

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi uniface -

"Allegehnny" in Lenape means the same thing as "Ohio" in Iroquois : beautiful+river.

Hello INSIDER -

Real people I seldom have problems with,
but I seem to have this strange effect on frauds and seriouly confused people.

"I can promise YOU that YOU will never know our stories. EVER"
That depends on WHO you are and whether YOUR stories are real,
or if they are some imaginary crap you're trying to pass off as Native American tradition in an effort to steal from people,
or some personal confusion of interpretation of yours you are trying to share with others.

Care to take it to NAFPS?

As far as Theosophist Cult Archaeology goes, what you don't know about it fills a book.
I know, as I wrote it.
In case you haven't heard it yet, the Theosophis Cult Archaeology scam is now dead.
The principles have now "rechanneled" (puns intended) their material into Ancient Aliens.