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Post by Ciko »

Osmanagich claims once again that it was definitely built before the last Ice Age, "proven" by supposedly having proof that it spent several centuries under water.
bullshit, you really pissed me off with this bullshit, you are really stupid man or woman, whatever


he never said that is is for sure 12 000 or before the last Ice Age


he said that this could be between 2500 and 12 000 years old

and that is possible beacuse german and bosnian archelogists have found 24 000 artifacts 7000 years old in that area , in 2005 , the artifacts are in visoko museum waiting for more investigation
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I think your English is pretty good. Maybe as good as our President.

Oh, far better than that!
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Ciko wrote: bullshit, you really pissed me off with this bullshit, you are really stupid man or woman, whatever
he never said that is is for sure 12 000 or before the last Ice Age
Yes, he DID. It's in that very same report I just quoted, sections 3 & 7, in BLACK AND WHITE! He states that they have proof that the "pyramid" spent several centuries under water, which could only have happened AFTER the last Ice Age. Therefore the "pyramid" HAD to already be in existence. :roll: That link takes you to a page on the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun website, of which Osmamagich is Chairman of the Board of Directors. If it's on HIS site, then HE said it. Anyone who tries to imply the report has been misquoted by the press is obviously a gullible CRETIN.
Go READ it, then come back and apologise.
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Ciko,

This is the only warning you will get. Back off on the personal attacks.

Discuss intellegently and respectfully or I will lock down this board.

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I will lock down this board.
is that wise? why punish the rest of us for one person's errors?

i would suggest just locking ciko out if he doesn't behave after all there is more than just one pro-pyramid poster who can keep the board up-to-date.
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Stan wrote:
Fortuneteller, to what extent do ethnic or religious rivalries play a part in this controversy?

A few weeks ago someone from former Jugoslavia stated that
the government support of Osmanegic was the first step toward creating a taliban- like regime in Bosnia.
This might be your source:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/NoPyramidsInBosnia/

If “Taliban-like” attribute came from this site, then I don’t think that it is related to religion (i.e., Islam), unless we want to talk “conspiracy theory”. In this context, Taliban is an example of a system that destroys its own cultural heritage and factual history. As you know, Taliban destroyed Buddha statues of immeasurable value. Thus, Taliban is Osmanagic’s foundation supported by some politicians. His religion is Alternative History. The petitioners warn that Os destroys factual history and cultural heritage of Bosnia. I’ll try to explain the reasons for the petitioners’ concerns.

The original name of the hill for that Os named the Pyramid of Sun is Visocica. The name of the medieval city built on the hill is Visoki. You can find a bit more about the history of Visoko at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visoko

As you see from that short historical overview, Visoki was an important city of the medieval Bosnia. Therefore, the artifacts that are just to be discovered there, might be important for the modern Bosnian state and its political organization. Bosnian history has been falsified many times. The petitioners have concerns that the real and true history of Bosnia will never be written if Osmanagic’s people destroy the artifacts.

The language of the petition is quite strong, but please try to understand that these people have concerns for their country. For the sake of an example, please imagine that you know of an archeological site in Philadelphia, which contains original and very important artifacts related to the Declaration of Independence of the USA. Now please imagine Os coming from Texas and telling you that his “newest scientific methods” show that a colony of aliens lives underground just below your site. Os wants to dig, because aliens are more important for tourism. In his mind, it is logical that more people would come to see aliens than some old papers and old things that belonged to Tomas Jefferson. I forgot to say that Os has a buddy from Texas, whose name is George W Bush, and who also supports the dig.

You have already learnt about the quality of Osmanagic’s work. You know his New Age friends, and you know their backgrounds. If you imagine the scenario that I described above, would you let him dig at your site?

I don’t know if I’ve managed to explain how Bosnians, who want that their country keeps its independence, feel about Os and his enterprise, but I think that their concerns are legitimate.

Speaking of ethnical groups in Bosnia, let’s have a closer look at Osmangic’s opposition. It seems that all Bosnian ethnic groups are represented (and there are more than tree groups in Bosnia.)

1.The loudest is Mr. Zilka Kujundjic-Vejzavic, archeologist from National Museum in Sarajevo. Zilka’s comments on Osmanagic’s work are too venomous even for my taste. Sorry, I cannot think about any other word than “venomous.” This lady works at the national museum in Sarajevo. Here is a couple of links where you can find her name.

http://www.zemaljskimuzej.ba/english/archeology.htm
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... n%26sa%3DN
The previous link and the following one describe the site near Visoko where thousands of artifacts were found. Ciko mentioned these artifacts in one of his last posts.
http://translate.google.com/translate?s ... te%2Eshtml

2. Dr. Blagoje Govedarica, University of Heidelberg (mentioned in the petition above)
http://translate.google.com/translate?s ... ion%2FDBBC
and review of his book:
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/prehistoric/review ... darica.htm

3. Prof. Dr. Enver Imamovic, University of Sarajevo, former director of the national museum (mentioned in the petition above)
Dr. Imamovic made an attempt to explain the ethnical history of Bosnia. Dr. Imamovic was the director of the national museum during the war. His name was often mentioned related to preserving 700 year old Sarajevo Heggadah:
http://www.baptiststandard.com/2003/1_1 ... gadah.html
Since I like symbols, I particularly appreciated his attempt to prove that fleur-de-lis is used in Bosnia for 2000 years (the paper is in Bosnian and I am posting the link just because I like the pics):
http://www.spiritofbosnia.org/?lang=bos&x=17&y=22

4. Dr. Dubravko Lovrenovic, historian who specializes in medieval Bosnia, member of the committee for protection of national heritage. Dr. Lovrenovic promised to “set himself on fire” if Os finds pyramids in Visoko
http://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubravko_Lovrenovi%C4%87
I will not discuss the relationships between these two gentlemen, (i.e., Imamovic vs. Lovrenovic), but I think, if these two manage to agree on something than that is probably right.

There is no doubt in my mind that these people contributed a lot to the Bosnian science. However, the museum (with thousands of their artifacts found around Visoko) failed to attract media attention and trigger a business cycle. Os managed to bring CNN, BBC, MBC, etc. Business kicked off in Visoko since Os started digging. They want him to continue. Their requests are legitimate too.

Things are getting more complicated if we add mythology that has to be reshaped in Bosnia. I would love to add a couple of thoughts about the Bosnian mythology, but this post is already too long, and you are probably not interested in these aspects
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Post by ReneDescartes »

I 've read the petition and some other arguments against the digging and failed to make much sense of it,it seems to me both sides are now infected with irrational figures trying to broaden the discussion into new topics that are hardly relevant .It seems now that Indiana Jones inder the attack of anti-masonic paranoid figures claiming that the whole digging is part of a world spanning plot orginating somewhere in the inner spheres of US-decision making lobbies .Perhaps it is time for the bosnian academic world to step up and dissociate themselves from these weird allies .Sometimes your friends are more dangerous than your ennemies .
I suppose the reason why UNESCO steps in has to do with all this rambling .Simply to evaluate all the aspects,historical,academical,archaeological,political and others to avoid this whole venture of getting out of control more than it is allready.
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Post by ReneDescartes »

A little adjustmant.I am not refering to the petition as referred to by fortuneteller in his first hyperlink but to another one :
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/NoPyramidsInBosnia/ ,these opponents to the digging are just as dangerous as some partisans .
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Post by f9 »

I agree Rene...here havent place for Taliban.There are still not at all signs of destroying anything with some different ends.In fact there is real entusiasm in public and from the people involved into this.What is missing is practical person who can manage this and who have credentials and who can move Bosnian archeological society in rightfull direction to do the job for what they have been trained.
How archeologists have taken stance from this exavations,they are more public than anything else.In this way they are useles for society and for the profesion.If they are there only to inspect ruins for wich no one have been caring for decades,to mesure how high grass have been grown-of course that public outcry will be directed against them.In this type of situation final tought like that of Mr Babich is contraproductive because canot make space for gradual understanding from the public about the real situation.All this dont come up in one day and cant be stoped in one day with one final tought.We can see that association for piramid is using every stone to point out their direction.That is probably motivated on the day to day posibilities for stoping the exavations and daily presure for exavated proofs and for needs of fuel input -donations and investments.
This situation can be resolved with gradual change based on colaborations.
At least this way there will be some positive outcome for all involved.
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Post by Ciko »

Image stone walls of the pyramid

they have found stone ball i dont know where , i think somewhere close to the pyramid

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Ciko wrote:Image stone walls of the pyramid
No, it's a plain, ordinary rockface. :wink: This "pyramid" is supposed to have 45 degree walls....yet here is an alleged one which is perfectly vertical! :lol:
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Post by Ciko »

No, it's a plain, ordinary rockface. This "pyramid" is supposed to have 45 degree walls....yet here is an alleged one which is perfectly vertical!

what do you talk about , there is 3 pyramids there , not 1

some look like egyptian some look like mexican :?
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Post by Beagle »

Thank you RK. It's nice to hear your opinion about an archaeological dig. This seems to be devolving into a political battle that in my opinion has no business here.

I'm sure you notice that we've been asked to sign a petition. Politics in Bosnia - like I want to even think about getting involved with that.

I can imagine that, in an upcoming political election here in the states I and others can solicit this board to sign petitions. What the hell is happening here.

Sorry RK - I really didn't respond to you're post. I'm just blowing steam. I don't always agree with you but I always respect your opinion.

I wouldn't blame Michelle if she shut this sucker down.
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Ciko,
You never stated which pyramid it was supposed to be. And as usual, there's no background context in the photo suggest that it's anything other than a natural, vertical rockface.
Beagle,
No worries-it's mutual. 8) I'm not interested in the politics either, there's enough in Britain to bore us all rigid. :wink:
I can't help feeling that this dig is desperately clutching at straws to keep the finance going...then one day, all the "leaders" will mysteriously disappear stateside and the bank book will just as mysteriously empty!
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I wouldn't blame Michelle if she shut this sucker down
why the change of heart? you were ciko's biggest cheerleader
some look like egyptian some look like mexican
now i know it is a load of crap.
...then one day, all the "leaders" will mysteriously disappear stateside and the bank book will just as mysteriously empty
not stateside, they have extradition.
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