Making an impression

[Tiompan]

Hi OA, Geroge -

I understand your reasons for posting very well.
They are pretty damn petty.

That says it all EP .

George

[E.P. Grondine]

OA, George -

I ask how it can be done, and you tell me

1) I can't do it, when neither of you has ever done it, and further know nothing about how to do it

2) I am going to screw it up.

3) I am a vandal for insisting on doing it myself, when I've explained to you multiple times why I have to do it myself - hypothetically.

Now not only did you two not send any money along with those gems, there were no Harry and David's gift packs in the mail.

By the way, the price of "Man and Impact in the Americas" is now $35 plus postage.

[Tiompan]

OA, George -

I ask how it can be done, and you tell me

1) I can't do it, when neither of you has ever done it, and further know nothing about how to do it

2) I am going to screw it up.

3) I am a vandal for insisting on doing it myself, when I've explained to you multiple times why I have to do it myself - hypothetically.

Now not only did you two not send any money along with those gems, there were no Harry and David's gift packs in the mail.

By the way, the price of "Man and Impact in the Americas" is now $35 plus postage.

EP
There is only thing that matters here and that is the artefact . As long as it remains undamaged whether recorded or not , then everything is fine

George

[E.P. Grondine]

EP

There is only [one] thing that matters here and that is the artefact . As long as it remains undamaged whether recorded or not , then everything is fine

George

That's not much of an apology, George.

I've told you before that the artifact's caretaker would not allow me to do anything which might possibly damage it.

And once again you provided exactly zero information on how to do make an impression without damaging the artifact. Pretty Useless.

Now I've already told you that some of the world's experts in making impressions work about 2 hours from where I am now.

As far as damaging artifacts goes, have you seen how OHS runs the sites under its control?

Have you watched OHS take artifacts away from where the areas they were found and move them to Columbus?

[Tiompan]

EP

There is only [one] thing that matters here and that is the artefact . As long as it remains undamaged whether recorded or not , then everything is fine

George

That's not much of an apology, George.

I've told you before that the artifact's caretaker would not allow me to do anything which might possibly damage it.

And once again you provided exactly zero information on how to do make an impression without damaging the artifact. Pretty Useless.

Now I've already told you that some of the world's experts in making impressions work about 2 hours from where I am now.

As far as damaging artifacts goes, have you seen how OHS runs the sites under its control?

Have you watched OHS take artifacts away from where the areas they were found and move them to Columbus?

EP , it clearly was never intended as an apology .None was necessary .
There maybe a local "expert" at making impressions but it would be better to avoid any contact never mind an impression .
The experts that should be contacted are those that know about conservation and recording not "making impressions " .
I fail to see what damage OHS may or may not have done has anthing to do with this particular case .
Like most of your comments it has no bearing on the real problem which is ensuring the aretefact is undamaged .
George

[E.P. Grondine]

George, your claims to property rights to any Native American artifacts based on your "science" and "scientific abilities" are simply an expression of occupational greed.

From a Shawnee point of view the proper possessors of this hypothetical artifact would be the elders. How they would "curate" it would be their decision.

That you are blind to this is understandable, but not acceptable.
If you do not understand this and change your ways, then you have no business working in the archaeology of Native America, and need to find a different job in another field.

If you ever manage to find the "Hopewell" casino and a carton of their smokes, get back to me.

[Tiompan]

EP , You seem to have a major problem understanding simple text and continually evade the issue with non sequitors .
Hardly surprising that your response should be based on illogical fabricated nonsense and not a word about potential harm to the artefact .
Not that it matters but where did I say anything about property rights , what field I worked in , even whether it was archaeological or in North Anerica .
All an obvious smoke screen to avoid facing up to the real question .

George

[E.P. Grondine]

EP , You seem to have a major problem understanding simple text and continually evade the issue with non sequitors .
Hardly surprising that your response should be based on illogical fabricated nonsense and not a word about potential harm to the artefact .
Not that it matters but where did I say anything about property rights , what field I worked in , even whether it was archaeological or in North Anerica .
All an obvious smoke screen to avoid facing up to the real question .
George

George, your continued insistence that I am going to damage aforementioned hypothetical artifact is g*d d***n f**k***g insulting, and pretty much says it all.

I can assure you that I will have the necessary knowledge of how to make an impression before I attempt it.

If I feel then that I can not do it properly, or know then that I can't, then I will get someone knowledgeable to do it.

You're clearly not that person, in my opinion, which is pretty much the only one that counts in this case, aside from that of the artifact's keeper.

Given your demonstrated complete lack of knowledge as to how to make an impression, you also incapable of judging a priori whether I will damage aforementioned hypothetical artifact.

Merry Christmas - May Rudolph leave you a present on your roof.

http://science.time.com/2012/12/20/comi ... e-century/

[dannan14]

Well, EP, i didn't think anyone could do it, but you're actually making me start to miss RS. For a time, your fanatical adherence to your theories was very amusing, but now you seem to have abandoned all reason. You asked a real question, yet when you got real answers you responded with an unscrupulous level of evasiveness and ad hominems.

i starting to think you're simply a highly skilled yet patient troll. When you arrived here you were simply on the fringe...something that many folks on this board can appreciate. However, in this thread your behavior compares unfavorably with the Club. For reasons which you have not made clear, you apparently believe that you and only you can accomplish this task. Even worse, you are dismissing all rational advice as if it were a personal attack against you. i, for one, hope that the artifact in question, if it actually exists, is kept far from you and your insistence on using potentially damaging methods when reasonable alternatives have been put forth.

[E.P. Grondine]

HI Danaan -

I knew and know the concept of recent cometary impacts is quite controversial, as I did not believe it myself for many years, and so I always treaded lightly. Also my stroke slowed me down and set me back quite a bit.

But as a Christmas present to myself, or a New Years resolution, I will no longer tolerate fools gladly. Life is too short.

Well, EP, i didn't think anyone could do it, but you're actually making me start to miss RS. For a time, your fanatical adherence to your theories was very amusing, but now you seem to have abandoned all reason.

They are not "theories", it is a hypothesis, and testable by the evidence. The Holocene Start Impacts have passed, though you are entirely ignorant of that, at least right now.

You asked a real question, yet when you got real answers you responded with an unscrupulous level of evasiveness and ad hominems.

I asked how to make an impression. What I got was assertions that I could not do it, could not learn how to do it, and further will damage the hypothetical artifact, all from people who have demonstrated absolutely no knowledge of how to do it.

i starting to think you're simply a highly skilled yet patient troll. When you arrived here you were simply on the fringe...something that many folks on this board can appreciate. However, in this thread your behavior compares unfavorably with the Club. For reasons which you have not made clear, you apparently believe that you and only you can accomplish this task.

Well now, danaan, I hypothetically located the hypothetical artifact, have its caretaker's trust, and know some specialists in the First Nations' glyph systems. As no others have that, the responsibility thus falls to me.

The Shawnee were literate at one time.

Even worse, you are dismissing all rational advice as if it were a personal attack against you.

For the umpteenth time, I asked how to make an impression. What I got was assertions that I could not do it, could not learn how to do it, and further will damage the hypothetical artifact, all comments from people who have demonstrated absolutely no knowledge of how to do it.

i, for one, hope that the artifact in question, if it actually exists, is kept far from you and your insistence on using potentially damaging methods when reasonable alternatives have been put forth.

Well, you're s**t out of luck, danaan.

ernie and kb were the only people here to put forth techniques. They are not appropriate in this case.

I have told you that I intend to consult with world class experts first. If I can't handle it, then I will get someone else to do it who I and the holder can trust.

[Tiompan]

EP , anyone can see that by reading the recent posts that you are in the business of making stuff up whilst evading
a simple issue .The most recent paranoid fabrication being " your continued insistence that I am going to damage aforementioned " .
I have not insisted you will damage , I am insisting that you hopefully won't be involved in causing damage to an artefact . If you fail to see the difference
it is not surprising that you have to resort to non sequitors , ad hominens , swearing ( you know that there is not much of an argument when the ad hominens start , swearing confirms it ) and fabrications .

George

[E.P. Grondine]

George, I have evaded nothing, "hypothetically".

If you have nothing to contribute to the topic of how to make an impression, then butt out - it is none of your business, nor your concern.

You have no right to insist on anything in this hypothetical case.

As far as making stuff up, you do a very good job of it.

Speaking about ad hominem attacks, anyone reading the posts can see that you started them. I am just better at finishing them, you lying snake (q.e.d.).

If you want to add your own opinion on how the Holocene Start Impact Event did not occur, then it is still not too late to do it. Your words will provide a memorial of your ignorance for people to laugh at for years to come. And there is nothing hypothetical about that.

C'mon, George - you can do it.
After all, it is Christmas, and humor makes an excellent gift.

[Tiompan]

EP ,You seem to forget that anyone can read this and simply go back over the previous posts .
Maybe you can can actually provide quotes where I have "made stuff up " or started using ad hominems .
Your examples are clear to see.
It is the concern of anyone who has an interest in ensuring no damage comes to artefacts to respond to potential irresponsible actions .
Holocene impact events are yet another non sequitor .
George

[E.P. Grondine]

EP ,You seem to forget that anyone can read this and simply go back over the previous posts .

Actually, I rely upon it.

Maybe you can can actually provide quotes where I have "made stuff up " or started using ad hominems .

George, you seem to forget that anyone can read this and simply go back over the previous posts .

Your examples are clear to see.

Another Christmas present to myself: I am not going to use aggravation to produce insulin.

It is the concern of anyone who has an interest in ensuring no damage comes to artefacts to respond to potential irresponsible actions .

George, you have no idea of the standards of practice I hold myself to, and you have shown no idea of how to make an impression as well.

You have demonstrated absolutely no justification for any claim about potential irresponsible actions on my part.

Holocene impact events are yet another non sequitor .
George

George, think of it as a personal invitation from me to make yourself a fool, but this time in a way that will last not only for the rest of your life, but for hundreds of years afterwards.

Today's joke:
What's that, Tonto? You say white man speak with forked tongue?
Plop, plop.
What's that, Silver? You say white man full of ....?

[oldarchystudent]

EP it is extremely simple....

You come onto this board asking how to do something - therefore it doesn't take Kreskin to figure out that you don't know how to do it.

It takes years to train as a material culture specialist. When we last spoke you haven't worked on a single dig, let alone trained in material culture preservation. Unless something has changed you have zero archaeological experience.

So yes - the chances you will screw it up are unacceptably high, as they would be for anyone with your lack of expertise (or mine - I wouldn't attempt it and I have more experience than you).

Respect the artifact, don't mess with stuff you don't understand, especially if it's irreplaceable. Swallow the ego and admit to the custodian that you don't know what you are doing with this and don't go any further. If they have any brain at all they will respect your integrity.

The fact this has to be explained to you at all is a very bad sign. To have to argue it at length is the nail in the coffin.