Mississippi Embayment/Bolide Astrobleme

[E.P. Grondine]

Well, you know what they say about opinions!

Yeah. Real a**holes are particularly vocal about theirs and trying to force them on you.
You just don't understand that yet.

You are mistaking respecting the views of others and their right to express them with endorsing them.
I've expressed my view, and others here have as well, but it looks like we're all "judgemental".

We are, and we don't need to apologize to you for that.
Its nothing personal, its simply that your demonstration failed.

Like it or not, got to believe in something.

Since I think you are pretty confused,
why the hell do you think I want to discuss religion with you?
Ever seen Monty Python's The Life of Brian?

Do you own a cat, Kalopin?

[Kalopin]

Well, you know what they say about opinions!

Yeah. Real a**holes are particularly vocal about theirs and trying to force them on you.
You just don't understand that yet.

You are mistaking respecting the views of others and their right to express them with endorsing them.
I've expressed my view, and others here have as well, but it looks like we're all "judgemental".

We are, and we don't need to apologize to you for that.
Its nothing personal, its simply that your demonstration failed.

Like it or not, got to believe in something.

Since I think you are pretty confused,
why the hell do you think I want to discuss religion with you?
Ever seen Monty Python's The Life of Brian?

Do you own a cat, Kalopin?

It's 'yea', not 'yeah' and the ones forcing opinions have distorted your views so badly you can't see reality, even when it is put right in front of you. My hypothesis is based on facts- [for the umpteenth time]. Yours and their current beliefs have no basis whatsoever! What produced the topography? You will not even attempt an answer, because you know that what you want to believe is not even possible!

Who will be the contributors to the truth? Scared to have samples determined? Scared to produce a LiDAR or collect core samples? Scared to try and prove me wrong? Because you know you can NOT! Do you wish to be one that obstructs truths and facts? Now, challenge me!

When people make baseless accusations against certain religous beliefs, it is teaching intolerance.
And to continue to promote a distorted view of history, geology, physics, seismology,...shows an incompetence related to the 'Spanish Inquisition'. Just as the world is not flat, a seismic fault in the middle of a tectonic plate can NOT produce a surface shockwave pattern. No, this is not confusion or any hallucination. This shockwave pattern has been studied and named "The Upper Mid-land Drift" because of the upward design. Guess what, there is NO other option for this pattern other than impact. So, good luck with current theories. They are not logical, probable, or even viable. The reason you continue to postulate your position is -you have no argument. Go ahead- explain current theories [waiting]!

Reincarnation is fact. depending on perception: No Matter disappears, it is reformed. As 'ashes to ashes and dust to dust', when life dies it becomes other life in different forms. You see, it is point of view, and not 'evil'. Bad, wrong, evil,...-personal choices and not the cause of well-meaning religions. Distorted views for personal gains has little to do with religion, although religion is used for these warmongers to hide behind. There are plenty more atrocities committed where no religous beliefs are involved. I believe the last several wars were more about territorial, oil and mineral disputes, not religion.

The mind-set you promote is one that causes mistrust and hateful feelings toward one another. I recommend a different approach. Give suggestions and explanations for your feelings, instead of intolerance and accusations...

Yea, love "The Life of Brian"! Love cats, have had many, but currently- no. As my old dogs used to love cats, I have several Pit-Bulls and Dobermans, so a little problem keeping cats around!
What is so funny is, that it is you clinging to the outdated dogma! And it is you that will not stop coming back to hide and distort facts and history for your own personal gain.
Yea, Wichita, Kansas in 1811?! You exist in some fairy tale land, somewhere over the rainbow [Are you looking for a brain?]. Real science does not work in the way you suggest! This is to all protecting the delusional status quo!

You seem to be more of a 'Clingy MacGuffin' or 'The Thing that Would Not Leave'!

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi Kalopin -

You just do not get it.

The major things that infulence my thinking are facts. In my opinion, you have not presented accounts of either impact or plasma phenomenon, no matter how much you wish they were.

If you wish to discuss the geology of the area and its formative processes, then take it up with geologists. All I can tell you is that from what I know it is NOT a feature from a recent impact.

[Kalopin]

Hi Kalopin -

You just do not get it.

The major things that infulence my thinking are facts. In my opinion, you have not presented accounts of either impact or plasma phenomenon, no matter how much you wish they were.

If you wish to discuss the geology of the area and its formative processes, then take it up with geologists. All I can tell you is that from what I know it is NOT a feature from a recent impact.

O.K., E.P.,
If that is true, facts influence your thinking. Then think of the facts! There is NO other process that could have formed "The Upland Complex", the shockwave design that is so prevalent. This whole thread is about the geology of the area. This IS what I am discussing!
If you believe I have presented no accounts suggesting an impact, then you have not read the accounts. They, pretty much, all suggest an impact! Plasma phenomenon can not be measured from 1811!
I do not have to wish, the evidence is straight up obvious, no doubt. It is only the convincing of the few, seemingly in charge. Why would I have thought that you knew anything about geology?

I, once again, invite you to give closer study. Once the erosion and development have been removed, every semi-circular fracture, every line in the topography surrounds and points directly to this same central impact structure. Sorry, there is NO doubt. I hope you don't think that you have many backers left to your tired old belief system. There are already MANY to know this scenario to be the only option!

[E.P. Grondine]

kalopin -

I think you are mistaking the tolerance of most here for their endorsement of your theories.

I think that is another manifestation of your Confirmation Bias, similar to your interpretations of colonial acounts.

Just to make this clear, my desire not to continue to argue with you does not mean you have won your point.

As I pointed out to you, most of the people who post here have long histories of "independent" thinking.

We often differ, make our arguments, and then let things set.

You might want to do the same.

[Kalopin]

kalopin -

I think you are mistaking the tolerance of most here for their endorsement of your theories.

I think that is another manifestation of your Confirmation Bias, similar to your interpretations of colonial acounts.

Just to make this clear, my desire not to continue to argue with you does not mean you have won your point.

As I pointed out to you, most of the people who post here have long histories of "independent" thinking.

We often differ, make our arguments, and then let things set.

You might want to do the same.

Be that as it may- This has been another shiny example of what is wrong with the scientific community and what kind of attitude everyone's [the ones who care] search for our real past faces. I am looking for those to help figure out the truth. As I have said, all can continue to postulate from passed on beliefs that have no merit, or join in and study the facts, learn the truth. The facts are that every piece of evidence points to an impact scenario. There has been no rebuttal on your behalf. No one here has presented any information to put any kind of an argument against an impact. Shall we go over some of the findings:
1. A central semi-circular concave depression in Northeastern Marshall County, Mississippi
2. A shockwave pattern extending out from this central location to The Tennessee River on the east, passed The St. Francis on the west.
3. Numerous highly unusual rocks found right at the center of every hill in the valley, with the appearance of melt rock, fusion crust, vitrification, shatter cones, fallback breccia, shocked quartz, nanodiamonds, iridium,...All aspects of impactites.
4. William Herschel's observations of Comet C/1811 F1 puts it passing right before the first quakes.
5. Many saw the comet as fifty percent larger than the Sun in October 1811.
6. A multitude of meteoric sightings just before, during and after the quakes, and from way too far to be any kind of naturally occurring earthquake lights.
7. An ice sheet can not pull land upward against gravity and away from the equator.
8. Inland seas would have left sandy beaches, not evenly spaced rolling hills of gravel.
9. Any satellite view will show the shockwave pattern design and the direction, angle and force of impact, showing lines in the topography running from The New Madrid Bend straight to where the rocks were found in North Slayden.
10. There are no trees for many miles in the area near two hundred years old.
11. There are no reasons for volcanoes supposedly buried for 65 million years to have nicknames and stories behind them. They fell into their own empty magma chambers on December 16, 1811.
12. Captain Robert Alexander of North Carolina reported many witnessing the formation of The Carolina Bays.
13. Every scientific study that has been done also points to this impact scenario.
14. The immediate topography shows the entire southern rim is still nice and round, the northern face is full of deep creeks and canyons and every hill reverberates out from this location.
15. You have no evidence to the contrary, no rebuttal whatsoever, so you continue to hold a position with no backing. This type of behaviour is not only against scientific approach and counter-productive, in this case it is dangerous...
16. There is NO other process that could have formed the rocks.
17. There is NO other process that could have formed the topography of The Mississippi Embayment!
18. There is no information at all coming from anywhere near the strike zone...

As I have said- "nothing personal".

To all- Don't blame the world, it's the people in the world! [and only the little percentage]

[Minimalist]

4. William Herschel's observations of Comet C/1811 F1 puts it passing right before the first quakes.
5. Many saw the comet as fifty percent larger than the Sun in October 1811.

From May to August, the comet's position made it difficult to spot because of its low altitude and the evening twilight. Both Flaugergues and Olbers were able to recover it in Leo Minor during August, Olbers noting a small but distinct tail, consisting of two rays forming a parabola, when viewing through a comet seeker.[1] By September, in Ursa Major, it was becoming a conspicuous object in the evening sky as it approached perihelion: William Herschel noted that a tail 25° long had developed by October 6.

By January 1812, the comet's brightness had faded. Several astronomers continued to obtain telescopic observations for some months, the last being Vincent Wisniewski at Novocherkassk, who noted it as barely reaching an apparent magnitude of 11 by August 12.[1]

The Great Comet of 1811 was thought to have had an exceptionally large coma, perhaps reaching over 1 million miles across—fifty percent larger than the Sun.[2] The comet's nucleus was later estimated at 30–40 km in diameter[3] and the orbital period was calculated at 3,757 years (later adjusted to 3,065 years). In many ways the comet was quite similar to Comet Hale-Bopp: but had an extremely large and active nucleus. it became spectacular without passing particularly close to either the Earth or the Sun

So they charted its approach - watched it wax and wane and finally disappear without apparently hitting the Earth. But you, 200 years later claim they missed the impact? Is that about the size of it?

[E.P. Grondine]

Be that as it may- This has been another shiny example of what is wrong with the scientific community and what kind of attitude everyone's [the ones who care] search for our real past faces. I am looking for those to help figure out the truth. As I have said, all can continue to postulate from passed on beliefs that have no merit, or join in and study the facts, learn the truth. The facts are that every piece of evidence points to an impact scenario. There has been no rebuttal on your behalf. No one here has presented any information to put any kind of an argument against an impact. Shall we go over some of the findings:
1. A central semi-circular concave depression in Northeastern Marshall County, Mississippi
2. A shockwave pattern extending out from this central location to The Tennessee River on the east, passed The St. Francis on the west.
3. Numerous highly unusual rocks found right at the center of every hill in the valley, with the appearance of melt rock, fusion crust, vitrification, shatter cones, fallback breccia, shocked quartz, nanodiamonds, iridium,...All aspects of impactites.
4. William Herschel's observations of Comet C/1811 F1 puts it passing right before the first quakes.
5. Many saw the comet as fifty percent larger than the Sun in October 1811.
6. A multitude of meteoric sightings just before, during and after the quakes, and from way too far to be any kind of naturally occurring earthquake lights.
7. An ice sheet can not pull land upward against gravity and away from the equator.
8. Inland seas would have left sandy beaches, not evenly spaced rolling hills of gravel.
9. Any satellite view will show the shockwave pattern design and the direction, angle and force of impact, showing lines in the topography running from The New Madrid Bend straight to where the rocks were found in North Slayden.
10. There are no trees for many miles in the area near two hundred years old.
11. There are no reasons for volcanoes supposedly buried for 65 million years to have nicknames and stories behind them. They fell into their own empty magma chambers on December 16, 1811.
12. Captain Robert Alexander of North Carolina reported many witnessing the formation of The Carolina Bays.
13. Every scientific study that has been done also points to this impact scenario.
14. The immediate topography shows the entire southern rim is still nice and round, the northern face is full of deep creeks and canyons and every hill reverberates out from this location.
15. You have no evidence to the contrary, no rebuttal whatsoever, so you continue to hold a position with no backing. This type of behaviour is not only against scientific approach and counter-productive, in this case it is dangerous...
16. There is NO other process that could have formed the rocks.
17. There is NO other process that could have formed the topography of The Mississippi Embayment!
18. There is no information at all coming from anywhere near the strike zone...

As I have said- "nothing personal".

To all- Don't blame the world, it's the people in the world! [and only the little percentage]

Hi kapolin -

Do not insult us by telling us that we are not interested in learning "The Truth" because we have rejected your analysis.

First off, no one except for you has verified your claims as to what the local rocks are, and you are no geologist.
I do not think that the rocks you are looking at are what you claim they are, but even if they were, they are UNDATED, and thus present no evidence of any recent geological process.

Circular and semi-circular geological geological features have causes other than impact. When I suggested to you that this feature may indicate some very ancient underlying impact, you did not even consider that, while we have multiple strings of ancient impact structures in North America.

There were no falitites, the kind of fatalities that would have occured had either an impact or plasma phenomenon occurred, no geological evidence, no archaeological evidence, and no proto-historical evidence beyond that produced by your imagination and your beliefs. While I would suggest that you read up on them, I don't know if it would do any good.

Fatalities in either case would have gone far beyond the local area that you mention, and I am very sure that the area that you claim was a kill zone, was not. Why? Because anyone can read the earthquake survivors' accounts.

You can not make claims about the functioning of ice sheet processes or plate tectonics, as you know nothing about them.

For that matter, you do not know what the scientific approach is, so your comments on it are insane babble.
The scientific method does not involve the process of
"I can claim it to be true unless or until you can prove to ME that it is not".

In other words, kalopin, if you have not lost it entirely yet, you are loosing it, In My Opinion.

http://www.auburn.edu/cosam/faculty/geo ... aphy/king/

[shawomet]

Hi shawomet -

Most Budhists believe if some evil happens to you you deserved it, and they support caste systems.
The millions that they murdered were/are their co-religionists.
The caste system is India's bane, IMO, and the lack of empathy practiced by many today's "budhists" is disgusting to me.
(I have not looked into that religion's founder's thoughts on empathy.)

You have not read my biography of Richard Kieninger yet. It covers Blavatsky and the other con-men who have worked the re-incarnation scam. It covers the modern criminal industry in depth - incluind those operating 40 years ago. (:P)

Your point about late Hellenistic parallels is well taken, I use W.K.C. Guthrie (Orpheus and Greek Religion) for reference, and his apparat for working with religions is excellent, perhaps unsurpassed. (Years ago I copied out long hand a lot of that book for use in working with ancient religions generally.)

Given the deliberate con aspect of the current industry, comparion of the leaders of the Hellenistic communities with the current lot of spiritual thieves does not always hold - a good percentage of the Hellnistic re-incarnationists actually deeply believed what they preached, while most of the current lot do it for money. The other aspect without Hellenistic parallel is computerized mailing lists, and this is a new technologfy that has had effects on all aspects of our society.

While I can warn of spiritual frauds, I am not a spiritual guide, but instead rely on others for that.

In speaking of Buddhism and the caste system, Buddha was clearly against the caste system and it did not develop out of Buddhism at all, but principally Brahmanism and Hinduism. Why are you blaming Buddhists for the beliefs of Hindus?


Dharma Data: The Caste system




Brahmanism, the predominant religion in India during the Buddha's time, divided all humans into four castes (attu vanna), priests, warriors, traders and labourers. Social contact between each caste was minimal and the lower one's position in the system the less opportunities, the less freedom and the less rights one had. Outside the caste system were the outcasts (sudra) people considered so impure that they hardly counted as humans. The caste system was later absorbed into Hinduism, given religious sanction and legitimacy and has continued to function right up till the present. The Buddha, himself born into the warrior caste, was a severe critic of the caste system. He ridiculed the priests claims to be superior, he criticised the theological basis of the system and he welcomed into the Sangha people of all castes, including outcasts. His most famous saying on the subject is : " Birth does not make one a priest or an outcaste. Behaviour makes one either a priest or an outcaste". Even during the time when Buddhism was decaying in India and Tantrayana had adopted many aspects of Hinduism, it continued to welcome all castes and some of the greatest Tantric adepts were low castes or outcastes.

Despite this, various forms of the caste system are practised in several Buddhist countries, mainly in Sri Lanka, Tibet, and Japan where butchers, leather and metal workers and janitors are sometimes regarded as being impure. However, the system in these countries has never been either as severe or as rigid as the Hindu system and fortunately it is now beginning to fade away. The exception to this is Nepal where Tantric priests form a separate caste and will neither initiate into their priesthood or allow into their temples those of other castes.

Malalasekera, G.P. and Jayatilleke, K.N. Buddhism and the Race Question UNESCO, 1968.

[Kalopin]

Be that as it may- This has been another shiny example of what is wrong with the scientific community and what kind of attitude everyone's [the ones who care] search for our real past faces. I am looking for those to help figure out the truth. As I have said, all can continue to postulate from passed on beliefs that have no merit, or join in and study the facts, learn the truth. The facts are that every piece of evidence points to an impact scenario. There has been no rebuttal on your behalf. No one here has presented any information to put any kind of an argument against an impact. Shall we go over some of the findings:
1. A central semi-circular concave depression in Northeastern Marshall County, Mississippi
2. A shockwave pattern extending out from this central location to The Tennessee River on the east, passed The St. Francis on the west.
3. Numerous highly unusual rocks found right at the center of every hill in the valley, with the appearance of melt rock, fusion crust, vitrification, shatter cones, fallback breccia, shocked quartz, nanodiamonds, iridium,...All aspects of impactites.
4. William Herschel's observations of Comet C/1811 F1 puts it passing right before the first quakes.
5. Many saw the comet as fifty percent larger than the Sun in October 1811.
6. A multitude of meteoric sightings just before, during and after the quakes, and from way too far to be any kind of naturally occurring earthquake lights.
7. An ice sheet can not pull land upward against gravity and away from the equator.
8. Inland seas would have left sandy beaches, not evenly spaced rolling hills of gravel.
9. Any satellite view will show the shockwave pattern design and the direction, angle and force of impact, showing lines in the topography running from The New Madrid Bend straight to where the rocks were found in North Slayden.
10. There are no trees for many miles in the area near two hundred years old.
11. There are no reasons for volcanoes supposedly buried for 65 million years to have nicknames and stories behind them. They fell into their own empty magma chambers on December 16, 1811.
12. Captain Robert Alexander of North Carolina reported many witnessing the formation of The Carolina Bays.
13. Every scientific study that has been done also points to this impact scenario.
14. The immediate topography shows the entire southern rim is still nice and round, the northern face is full of deep creeks and canyons and every hill reverberates out from this location.
15. You have no evidence to the contrary, no rebuttal whatsoever, so you continue to hold a position with no backing. This type of behaviour is not only against scientific approach and counter-productive, in this case it is dangerous...
16. There is NO other process that could have formed the rocks.
17. There is NO other process that could have formed the topography of The Mississippi Embayment!
18. There is no information at all coming from anywhere near the strike zone...

As I have said- "nothing personal".

To all- Don't blame the world, it's the people in the world! [and only the little percentage]

Hi kapolin -

Do not insult us by telling us that we are not interested in learning "The Truth" because we have rejected your analysis.

First off, no one except for you has verified your claims as to what the local rocks are, and you are no geologist.
I do not think that the rocks you are looking at are what you claim they are, but even if they were, they are UNDATED, and thus present no evidence of any recent geological process.

Circular and semi-circular geological geological features have causes other than impact. When I suggested to you that this feature may indicate some very ancient underlying impact, you did not even consider that, while we have multiple strings of ancient impact structures in North America.

There were no falitites, the kind of fatalities that would have occured had either an impact or plasma phenomenon occurred, no geological evidence, no archaeological evidence, and no proto-historical evidence beyond that produced by your imagination and your beliefs. While I would suggest that you read up on them, I don't know if it would do any good.

Fatalities in either case would have gone far beyond the local area that you mention, and I am very sure that the area that you claim was a kill zone, was not. Why? Because anyone can read the earthquake survivors' accounts.

You can not make claims about the functioning of ice sheet processes or plate tectonics, as you know nothing about them.

For that matter, you do not know what the scientific approach is, so your comments on it are insane babble.
The scientific method does not involve the process of
"I can claim it to be true unless or until you can prove to ME that it is not".

In other words, kalopin, if you have not lost it entirely yet, you are loosing it, In My Opinion.

http://www.auburn.edu/cosam/faculty/geo ... aphy/king/

Stop saying 'we'! You know very little. You do not understand the difference between a common concretion and a cometary impactite. You have insulted yourself, by spouting insults.
I know that an ice sheet can NOT pull land away from the equator. Do you know that? I know that a fault in the middle of a plate deep beneath the ground can NOT cause a surface shockwave design in the topography. Do YOU know that? No, it has become apparent- "You know nothing about" how to give study to facts! I have given geological, archaeological, and historical data to prove possibilities of massive casualties, if you choose to ignore this, I can not force your mind to give better focus. It may be too late for you...

I had told you from the start that I am looking to have the rocks verified. That is part of the reason for my unanswered questions. I do not 'claim' anything to be true. The facts are the facts. Every single piece of evidence is fact! It is quite the opposite-You continue to claim my findings to be false without any proof at all. And for you to make statements such as "There were no fatalities" is proof of your irresponsibility. It would only take a little study to find out that my hypotyhesis is the only way to answer every question concerning these events. So stop postulating! You do not want to help, you want to stand at some imaginary position, where you believe current theories to be accurate and just be ignorant. OR- Answer the questions I have presented!

Why do you give Prof. David King's profile page? He has done some excellent work, especially on Watumpka Crater. Why, do you wish to know what we discussed and his opinion, that he told me? There are many that know I have something, but apparently many 'hands are tied' by staus quo protectors...

['A' ight den mista' jaol o jist' ], some more proof? Answer?
!. Why is the land throughout the embayment settling southward at an exponential rate?
and,
2. What process produces a 'swirl' circular design on the face of a boulder?
Just a couple, but will I ever here you answer?

[Kalopin]

Hi shawomet -

Most Budhists believe if some evil happens to you you deserved it, and they support caste systems.
The millions that they murdered were/are their co-religionists.
The caste system is India's bane, IMO, and the lack of empathy practiced by many today's "budhists" is disgusting to me.
(I have not looked into that religion's founder's thoughts on empathy.)

You have not read my biography of Richard Kieninger yet. It covers Blavatsky and the other con-men who have worked the re-incarnation scam. It covers the modern criminal industry in depth - incluind those operating 40 years ago. (:P)

Your point about late Hellenistic parallels is well taken, I use W.K.C. Guthrie (Orpheus and Greek Religion) for reference, and his apparat for working with religions is excellent, perhaps unsurpassed. (Years ago I copied out long hand a lot of that book for use in working with ancient religions generally.)

Given the deliberate con aspect of the current industry, comparion of the leaders of the Hellenistic communities with the current lot of spiritual thieves does not always hold - a good percentage of the Hellnistic re-incarnationists actually deeply believed what they preached, while most of the current lot do it for money. The other aspect without Hellenistic parallel is computerized mailing lists, and this is a new technologfy that has had effects on all aspects of our society.

While I can warn of spiritual frauds, I am not a spiritual guide, but instead rely on others for that.

In speaking of Buddhism and the caste system, Buddha was clearly against the caste system and it did not develop out of Buddhism at all, but principally Brahmanism and Hinduism. Why are you blaming Buddhists for the beliefs of Hindus?


Dharma Data: The Caste system




Brahmanism, the predominant religion in India during the Buddha's time, divided all humans into four castes (attu vanna), priests, warriors, traders and labourers. Social contact between each caste was minimal and the lower one's position in the system the less opportunities, the less freedom and the less rights one had. Outside the caste system were the outcasts (sudra) people considered so impure that they hardly counted as humans. The caste system was later absorbed into Hinduism, given religious sanction and legitimacy and has continued to function right up till the present. The Buddha, himself born into the warrior caste, was a severe critic of the caste system. He ridiculed the priests claims to be superior, he criticised the theological basis of the system and he welcomed into the Sangha people of all castes, including outcasts. His most famous saying on the subject is : " Birth does not make one a priest or an outcaste. Behaviour makes one either a priest or an outcaste". Even during the time when Buddhism was decaying in India and Tantrayana had adopted many aspects of Hinduism, it continued to welcome all castes and some of the greatest Tantric adepts were low castes or outcastes.

Despite this, various forms of the caste system are practised in several Buddhist countries, mainly in Sri Lanka, Tibet, and Japan where butchers, leather and metal workers and janitors are sometimes regarded as being impure. However, the system in these countries has never been either as severe or as rigid as the Hindu system and fortunately it is now beginning to fade away. The exception to this is Nepal where Tantric priests form a separate caste and will neither initiate into their priesthood or allow into their temples those of other castes.

Malalasekera, G.P. and Jayatilleke, K.N. Buddhism and the Race Question UNESCO, 1968.

Thanks Shawomet,
But good luck trying to explain to someone who will not investigate. I guess we can try?

[Kalopin]

I often wonder what it would be like to exist in a world with just a little more honesty and intelligence. Where would we be now if 'everyone understood a meteor caused The New Madrid Earthquakes of 1811-1812' when they happened? Would we have better defense against such events? We will never know, mostly because of the same type behaviour presented here.

There are many reasons to find a better understanding of what actually occurred on December 16, 1811. These findings will give proof to what cometary effects can cause. To face humanities common enemy, mitigation of catastrophic events, an ultimate goal for the emerging technologies in Planetary Defense.

There will be many tests in the near future. Chelyabinsk is a good example of what happens with no warning. Many understand the different cometary effects on the Sun and other planets, such as when Comet Shoemaker/Levy 9 impacted Jupiter, but have not understood the processes of a comets impact on Earth. Many of the rocks currently considered common concretions are actually cometary impactites, as our planet was bombarded with many bolides in its early existence.
Comet C/1811 F1, Flaugergues Comet, Tecumsehs Comet, Napoleans Comet, The Great Comet of 1811 was a warning shot to the scientific community. Soon there will be more comets somewhat similar. This is the last time a comet appeared that large and the effects have yet to find common knowledge.
As I am sure you all are aware, Comet Ison http://www.space.com/20819-comet-ison-n ... tions.html is expected to be a Sungrazer and, unlike Elenin and several others that impacted the Sun in 2011, it is expected to make a close pass, slinging it out at a much higher rate, and is also expected to become as bright or brigter than The Full Moon, just as C/1811 F1 did! HOPEFULLY it will not be on a close trajectory. Hopefully it won't have enough mass, velocity, or consistancy. Hopefully it won't leave a trail of meteoroids from its dust tail. Do you see the problem? All we can do currently is hope! To me, this is an unacceptable future and a future that will not continue to exist. It is inevitable that catastrophes will occur, but our actions, how we act and react and what we have done to mitigate such events will be the question-What say ye?


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[Kalopin]

4. William Herschel's observations of Comet C/1811 F1 puts it passing right before the first quakes.
5. Many saw the comet as fifty percent larger than the Sun in October 1811.

From May to August, the comet's position made it difficult to spot because of its low altitude and the evening twilight. Both Flaugergues and Olbers were able to recover it in Leo Minor during August, Olbers noting a small but distinct tail, consisting of two rays forming a parabola, when viewing through a comet seeker.[1] By September, in Ursa Major, it was becoming a conspicuous object in the evening sky as it approached perihelion: William Herschel noted that a tail 25° long had developed by October 6.

By January 1812, the comet's brightness had faded. Several astronomers continued to obtain telescopic observations for some months, the last being Vincent Wisniewski at Novocherkassk, who noted it as barely reaching an apparent magnitude of 11 by August 12.[1]

The Great Comet of 1811 was thought to have had an exceptionally large coma, perhaps reaching over 1 million miles across—fifty percent larger than the Sun.[2] The comet's nucleus was later estimated at 30–40 km in diameter[3] and the orbital period was calculated at 3,757 years (later adjusted to 3,065 years). In many ways the comet was quite similar to Comet Hale-Bopp: but had an extremely large and active nucleus. it became spectacular without passing particularly close to either the Earth or the Sun

So they charted its approach - watched it wax and wane and finally disappear without apparently hitting the Earth. But you, 200 years later claim they missed the impact? Is that about the size of it?

As I have previously stated: The measurements are inaccurate. It was not the coma not the dust tail that appeared to be a million miles. You do see it says 'estimated' and there is no orbit from any Sungrazer, they are slung out of the solar system or sucked into the Sun-period! What force would bring it back? So many misunderstandings!
If ANYTHING on this comet appeared fifty percent larger than the Sun, it would mean that it was very close to the Earth, or it would be so big that it would destroy the Sun and the entire solar system, duh!
What they have determined and you want to believe are false judgements based on passed on ignorant beliefs. There was no way to measure anything in space with any accuracy in 1811. The reason the comet was not seen from June through August is because it was travelling around thhe Sun, hence the long dust tail! There staements are irresponsible!
So, Yea, "that about the size of it"!

You see, you have to try and understand what these people were actually witnessing in 1811. Have you ever seen or known anything to be that much larger than the Sun or Moon in appearance, outside of our atmosphere? The tail appeared a million miles in August and the first part of October, it was the nucleus that appeared fifty percent larger than the Sun in mid-late October. Herschel notices the tail becoming shorter in late November. early December, I believe, because it was coming toward him. The weather [mostly influenced by the comet] interferred after mid-December, right after it passed and at the same time of the earthquakes. Yea, what a coincidence?!

There must soon be a re-assessment of what a comet is, where they actually are coming from and what effects they may have...

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi Kalopin -

"What they have determined and you want to believe are false judgements based on passed on ignorant beliefs."

NO.

What YOU have determined and YOU want to believe are false judgements based on passed on ignorant beliefs.

That is why you are persuing this with a religious fervor.

Sorry, but its old nonsense, re-packaged in the pseudo-science of the Thunderdolt's Electric Universe.

People are much more fragile than dirt. If the forces you believe moved that dirt had of occured, they would have been strong enough to have killed a lot of people. And that did not happen.
Thus, neither Impact nor plasma phenomenon happened.
Q.E.D.

As no amount of screaming and arm waving can change that, the interesting part of this is your own behavior.

You came here because this is my field of expertise, but you need to show that I am not an expert.
And I can waltz around the floor with you on this as long as you like.
It is only the tunes that are interesting.

[Kalopin]

Hi Kalopin -

"What they have determined and you want to believe are false judgements based on passed on ignorant beliefs."

NO.

What YOU have determined and YOU want to believe are false judgements based on passed on ignorant beliefs.

That is why you are persuing this with a religious fervor.

Sorry, but its old nonsense, re-packaged in the pseudo-science of the Thunderdolt's Electric Universe.

People are much more fragile than dirt. If the forces you believe moved that dirt had of occured, they would have been strong enough to have killed a lot of people. And that did not happen.
Thus, neither Impact nor plasma phenomenon happened.
Q.E.D.

As no amount of screaming and arm waving can change that, the interesting part of this is your own behavior.

You came here because this is my field of expertise, but you need to show that I am not an expert.
And I can waltz around the floor with you on this as long as you like.
It is only the tunes that are interesting.

Jees, as you still have not even attempted to answer one of my simple questions that should be in every geology book, you also continue to postulate on positions with no information to back you up!
Why do you think that thousands were not killed?
You just make the statement "And that did not happen"-Why not? Do you not realize that makes you the 'arm waiver'?
You are the one who keeps screaming out foul, with no backing, as I continue to post questions that you are unable to answer.
I have told you that there is a void where the impact occurred, that there were many more Chickasaw prior to this event, and this is why settlers easily took this land. People thought Yazoo meant 'death' because their land was so broken up and empty. You will find no reports from 'The Office of Indian Affairs' from 1809-1822. Here are SOME of my reasons-what are yours?

I do not have to prove that you are not an expert, you are doing a wonderful job!
I have put in the study and you have not.

21. Why are you unable to find any information at all throughout the proposed strike zone, when there is information coming from every direction around it?
22. What can force to seperate slabs of rock to be completely welded together? [study the photos at http://koolkreations.wix.com/kalopin-legacy ]

P.S. Waltzs' suck. You should first start at the beginning! You like tunes and religion? Study, learn, and realize starting with some [all of] Professors Pink Floyd and Black Sabbath