Strange Ancient Cretan Underground Civilisation

[uniface]

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread993733/pg1

[Tiompan]

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread993733/pg1

Zammit made the mistaken Cretan connection in the 1930's . We have known for a long time that the Maltese monuments /temples are much earlier and quite distinct from anything Cretan .

George

[uniface]

An underground complex in Crete was not "Cretan" ?

Stonehenge, built in Britain, was not "British" ?

Split somebody else's hair, OK ?

[Tiompan]

A long way from splitting hairs .
Malta is not Crete or Cretan . Sicilly is only 55 miles from Malta, Crete is 500 . It was only in the ignorant old days that anybody suggested a connection , we have know better for a long time

Try telling the archaeologists who know the monuments , or the Maltese otherwise .

It was the same type of thinking that suggested that Stonehenge was Mycenaean .Wrong culture ,wrong period .

[Minimalist]

Invest in a geography text, Uni.

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi tiopan, min -

uniface is unaware of Malta's apparent ties with Southern Anatolia, in particular the female cult.

I think that none of you are aware of the complete disappearance of that culture on Malta around 2,360 BCE.

A pronounced cultural discontinuity.

[Tiompan]

Hi tiopan, min -

uniface is unaware of Malta's apparent ties with Southern Anatolia, in particular the female cult.


Hi EP I doubt anyone buys the Gimbutas female cult anymore .
if you are intersted in cult in relation to prehistoric Malta "Cult in Context " edited by Caroline Malone is worth a look .

"I think that none of you are aware of the complete disappearance of that culture on Malta around 2,360 BCE."

Why should you think that ? It's the accepted chronology although the date is not as precise as 2360 BC and was probabaly earlier .

[Tiompan]

Invest in a geography text, Uni.

An archaeology of the region wouldn't go amiss either .

[uniface]

A swing and a miss. Strike one. Get that bum outta there !!!!!

[Tiompan]

A swing and a miss. Strike one. Get that bum outta there !!!!!

Is that local argot , for "ooops soory bout that , I got my geography and archaeology wrong " ?

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi tiopan, min -

uniface is unaware of Malta's apparent ties with Southern Anatolia, in particular the female cult.


Hi EP I doubt anyone buys the Gimbutas female cult anymore .
if you are interested in cult in relation to prehistoric Malta "Cult in Context " edited by Caroline Malone is worth a look .

"I think that none of you are aware of the complete disappearance of that culture on Malta around 2,360 BCE."

Why should you think that ? It's the accepted chronology although the date is not as precise as 2360 BC and was probably earlier .

Hi Tiompan -

I used to be pretty well able to discuss these in terms of primary materials, though since my stroke that is not so.

Unfortunately due to the weather I could not get up to the AIA in Chicago. It would have been fun.

While precise tree ring dating is not yet available,
the cultural discontinuity on Malta is abrupt and complete.

What exact cause for it do you propose?
Hint: there are four candidates, not three as earlier thought.

Along with your answer, please show you work.

[By the way, I am not an arrogant swine.]

[Tiompan]

Hi tiopan, min -

uniface is unaware of Malta's apparent ties with Southern Anatolia, in particular the female cult.


Hi EP I doubt anyone buys the Gimbutas female cult anymore .
if you are interested in cult in relation to prehistoric Malta "Cult in Context " edited by Caroline Malone is worth a look .

"I think that none of you are aware of the complete disappearance of that culture on Malta around 2,360 BCE."

Why should you think that ? It's the accepted chronology although the date is not as precise as 2360 BC and was probably earlier .

Hi EP

Hi Tiompan -

I used to be pretty well able to discuss these in terms of primary materials, though since my stroke that is not so.

Unfortunately due to the weather I could not get up to the AIA in Chicago. It would have been fun.

While precise tree ring dating is not yet available,
the cultural discontinuity on Malta is abrupt and complete.

What exact cause for it do you propose?
Hint: there are four candidates, not three as earlier thought.

Along with your answer, please show you work.

[By the way, I am not an arrogant swine.]

Hi EP ,
I think you might have a job supporting the female cult whatever your health .
Your precise and later date of "cultural discontinuity "suggest that you are mistaken .
Please show your work to support this .
You didn't explain why you thought "I think that none of you are aware of the complete disappearance of that culture on Malta around 2,360 BCE."
"Arrogant swine " , who said that about you here , recently . ?

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi Tionpan:

The data are well known:
http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/malta/

By the way, I do not think it is a "female cult".

It is just as or more than likely that there was a matrilineal society.

Gimbutas observations of rock sculptures of (hallucinogenic?) mushrooms are still valid.

Rock solid, in fact.

[Tiompan]

Hi Tionpan:

The data are well known:
http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/malta/

By the way, I do not think it is a "female cult".

It is just as or more than likely that there was a matrilineal society.

Gimbutas observations of rock sculptures of (hallucinogenic?) mushrooms are still valid.

Rock solid, in fact.

Hi EP ,
yes I know the data are well known that is why I asked why you thought "I think that none of you are aware of the complete disappearance of that culture on Malta around 2,360 BCE."
However the data does not include a " complete disappearance " ( change of culture as was found in many other places in the Neolithic - Bronze Age transition would be more appropriate ) at such a precise date .
Gimbutas saw mushrooms, and others still do , not always, but often with little justification , the same applies to other motifs like vulvas .

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi Tionpan:

The data are well known:
http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/malta/

By the way, I do not think it is a "female cult".

It is just as or more than likely that there was a matrilineal society.

Gimbutas observations of rock sculptures of (hallucinogenic?) mushrooms are still valid.

Rock solid, in fact.

Hi EP ,
yes I know the data are well known that is why I asked why you thought "I think that none of you are aware of the complete disappearance of that culture on Malta around 2,360 BCE."
However the data does not include a " complete disappearance " ( change of culture as was found in many other places in the Neolithic - Bronze Age transition would be more appropriate ) at such a precise date .
Gimbutas saw mushrooms, and others still do , not always, but often with little justification , the same applies to other motifs like vulvas .

Its sometimes funny how many phalluses some people see in ancient artifacts.

In the case of Malta, this is no gradual change.
Its a cultural discontinuity, which brings me back to my original challenge to you.
What caused it, and show your work.