http://www.livescience.com/28954-ancien ... ished.html
Here ya go. Argue about this for a while.
4500 ya
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E.P. Grondine
Re: 4500 ya
Thanks for the link, Frank.
I believe the date these researchers are trying to find is:
25 October, 2360 BCE
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/ce010702.html
The date of both the Rio Cuarto impact event, as well as for the sudden mysterious depopulation of Malta.
I hope Tiompan sees this.
I believe the date these researchers are trying to find is:
25 October, 2360 BCE
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/ce010702.html
The date of both the Rio Cuarto impact event, as well as for the sudden mysterious depopulation of Malta.
I hope Tiompan sees this.
Re: 4500 ya
If you had read the original link , it was about a change in the make up in the dna of central europeans in the Bronze Age and probably due to bell beaker expansion . This is supported by archaeology and archaeogenetics and has nothing to do with impacts .
Similarly in relation to Malta as mentioned a while ago .
“Your'e the one who said "the cultural discontinuity on Malta is abrupt and complete, around 2360 BC ."
Where is the work to support that assertion ?
We know that there was a change in culture around the Neolithic /Bronze age transition with zero evidence for the reason being due to impacts and the date for the transition probably began earlier . Read the literature and that is what you will discover .
You also failed to answer why you thought we wouldn't know about the transition ,which some of us obviously did ,but if you meant the complete disappearance of a people due to a non local impact then we are unlikely to have been aware of a fantasy .
Similarly in relation to Malta as mentioned a while ago .
“Your'e the one who said "the cultural discontinuity on Malta is abrupt and complete, around 2360 BC ."
Where is the work to support that assertion ?
We know that there was a change in culture around the Neolithic /Bronze age transition with zero evidence for the reason being due to impacts and the date for the transition probably began earlier . Read the literature and that is what you will discover .
You also failed to answer why you thought we wouldn't know about the transition ,which some of us obviously did ,but if you meant the complete disappearance of a people due to a non local impact then we are unlikely to have been aware of a fantasy .
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E.P. Grondine
Re: 4500 ya
Your assertion that I have not read the literature is unfounded.Tiompan wrote: If you had read the original link , it was about a change in the make up in the dna of central europeans in the Bronze Age and probably due to bell beaker expansion . This is supported by archaeology and archaeogenetics and has nothing to do with impacts .
Similarly in relation to Malta as mentioned a while ago .
“Your'e the one who said "the cultural discontinuity on Malta is abrupt and complete, around 2360 BC ."
Where is the work to support that assertion ?
We know that there was a change in culture around the Neolithic/Bronze age transition with zero evidence for the reason being due to impacts and the date for the transition probably began earlier . Read the literature and that is what you will discover .
You also failed to answer why you thought we wouldn't know about the transition, which some of us obviously did, but if you meant the complete disappearance of a people due to a non local impact then we are unlikely to have been aware of a fantasy .
If you yourself are unfamiliar with the cultural and habitation sequences for Malta that is not my problem.
I am simply pointing out here the unexplained simultaneous timing of the events.
I suspect impact effects generated by OTHER FRAGMENTS of the Rio Cuarto impactor MAY contribute towards explaining the observed simultaneity.
Global climatic effects of a dust load MAY have been pronounced as well, but I have not done detailed calculations, nor looked at the ice core or tree ring data for this period.
(I can't remember right now if I did before my stroke. I seem to vaguely remember a paleo tree ring database, which confirmed events around 3114 BCE, but that is about it. )
I hope my use of capital letters here clears this up for you.
Re: 4500 ya
If you have read the required literature , it has not been understood .E.P. Grondine wrote:
Your assertion that I have not read the literature is unfounded.
Your did link to http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/malta/ if such a superficial view is your idea of the literature then it explains a lot . Worse , it does not support your view e.g. “The archaeological record shows unequivocally that the Temple builders disappeared from around 2500 B.C. Whether this was due to over-exploitation and eventual exhaustion of the natural resources “
I am familiar with the cultural and habitation sequences of Malta .E.P. Grondine wrote: If you yourself are unfamiliar with the cultural and habitation sequences for Malta that is not my problem.
It was this familiarity that initially prompted the reply to your erroneous comments,( on two counts ) “I think that none of you are aware of the complete disappearance of that culture on Malta around 2,360 BCE. “, in the first place .
[quote="E.P. Grondine"I hope my use of capital letters here clears this up for you.[/quote]
The use of lower case for “may “ would have been more useful in the first instance , providing a much needed conditional , but would still have been highlighted as being problematic .What is clear is that you don't have a grasp of the various transitions that occurred in prehistory and impose a simplistic impactor reasoning on their varied causes .