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alrom
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stellarchaser wrote:Could anyone please comment on these stone balls. As fai I know,simmilar ones have been found in Costarica and Mexico. Someone mentioned that they can be result of vulcanic erruption, but no volcanoes are known in Bosnia. And if there were volcanoes in Bosnia perhaps millions of years ago, then it could be expected that these balls would be deep under the surface, covered by geological strata.
They do not come from volcanoes. If I understood it correctly, they kind of 'grew'.

They start as some tiny impurity (a little stone, a fossil) that was trapped inside a sandstone strata (which by the way, it's sedimented sand from lakes or sea bottom that has become a stone slab). Sandstone is 'porous' to different minerals, I'm not sure about this, I suppose it's not like a sponge but it's a slow process. Ok, so we have the sandstone, a tiny impurity and minerals running through the sandstone.

When the minerals go close to the impurity, they get stuck in it. It's just very little mineral that gets stuck, but we're talking geological eras so we have plenty of time.

The impurity then grows, every time with more and more mineral stuck in it. With thousands of years, you get a very big round stone, inserted in the middle of the sedimentary rock.

I am not making this up. True geological phenomenon Look for 'cannonball concretions' on google.

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I think there's a post somewhere written by a geologist and talking about this. Can't find it right now sorry.
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Post by stellarchaser »

eratoh wrote:being one with no discernable culture or heritage to speak of, i'd say a big part of your problem is having so much culture you can't quite deal with it all. we'd know because we dream about that like the lottery. if we had some first we'd do this then that...

the best you can do is making sure its know that its accessible and oz has done a great deal towards that. you are fortnate that its in nobodys interest to suppress such discoveries when they are made.
Dear Eratoh, even today as I speak, every archeologist is invited to join the excavations. He or she can do that either as "believer" or independant scientist armed with scepticism, but in both ways it would be helpful to research that hill. And there is big posibility that lots of things can be found. from prehistoric to meadieval times. But lots of people criticizing everything, without being there and without seeing things about which they are speaking. And there is so much denying here. Why it is not possible that some ancient culture shaped the hill in a form of pyramid. same as chinese shaped their hills in a form of pyramid. They are not pyramids, but earthly pyramidal mounds. But still, to them that shape was obviously immportant.
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alrom wrote:
stellarchaser wrote:Could anyone please comment on these stone balls. As fai I know,simmilar ones have been found in Costarica and Mexico. Someone mentioned that they can be result of vulcanic erruption, but no volcanoes are known in Bosnia. And if there were volcanoes in Bosnia perhaps millions of years ago, then it could be expected that these balls would be deep under the surface, covered by geological strata.
They do not come from volcanoes. If I understood it correctly, they kind of 'grew'.

They start as some tiny impurity (a little stone, a fossil) that was trapped inside a sandstone strata (which by the way, it's sedimented sand from lakes or sea bottom that has become a stone slab). Sandstone is 'porous' to different minerals, I'm not sure about this, I suppose it's not like a sponge but it's a slow process. Ok, so we have the sandstone, a tiny impurity and minerals running through the sandstone.

When the minerals go close to the impurity, they get stuck in it. It's just very little mineral that gets stuck, but we're talking geological eras so we have plenty of time.

The impurity then grows, every time with more and more mineral stuck in it. With thousands of years, you get a very big round stone, inserted in the middle of the sedimentary rock.

I am not making this up. True geological phenomenon Look for 'cannonball concretions' on google.

Image

Image

I think there's a post somewhere written by a geologist and talking about this. Can't find it right now sorry.
thank you Alrom
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Post by eratoh »

stellarchaser wrote:
eratoh wrote:being one with no discernable culture or heritage to speak of, i'd say a big part of your problem is having so much culture you can't quite deal with it all. we'd know because we dream about that like the lottery. if we had some first we'd do this then that...

the best you can do is making sure its know that its accessible and oz has done a great deal towards that. you are fortnate that its in nobodys interest to suppress such discoveries when they are made.
Dear Eratoh, even today as I speak, every archeologist is invited to join the excavations. He or she can do that either as "believer" or independant scientist armed with scepticism, but in both ways it would be helpful to research that hill. And there is big posibility that lots of things can be found. from prehistoric to meadieval times. But lots of people criticizing everything, without being there and without seeing things about which they are speaking. And there is so much denying here. Why it is not possible that some ancient culture shaped the hill in a form of pyramid. same as chinese shaped their hills in a form of pyramid. They are not pyramids, but earthly pyramidal mounds. But still, to them that shape was obviously immportant.
but youre asking people to come spend their money. some might say that youre trying to trick people into spending their money and thats supported by some unethical and immoral behavior that oz can't escape from. then youre saying if you don't spend your money shut up and stop trying to stop others. it doesn't work that way and you'll never have a moments peace as long as you try. if you stop trying till after a mutually agreed upon decsion has been made, then you'll have massive support if that decision is in your favor. if its not, you will not be accused of misdeads.

as for the stone balls, if there is one lesson to be learned then its don't play with them yet. ask a costa rican. they really wish they'd left their balls alone.
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Post by stellarchaser »

eratoh wrote:
stellarchaser wrote:
eratoh wrote:being one with no discernable culture or heritage to speak of, i'd say a big part of your problem is having so much culture you can't quite deal with it all. we'd know because we dream about that like the lottery. if we had some first we'd do this then that...

the best you can do is making sure its know that its accessible and oz has done a great deal towards that. you are fortnate that its in nobodys interest to suppress such discoveries when they are made.
Dear Eratoh, even today as I speak, every archeologist is invited to join the excavations. He or she can do that either as "believer" or independant scientist armed with scepticism, but in both ways it would be helpful to research that hill. And there is big posibility that lots of things can be found. from prehistoric to meadieval times. But lots of people criticizing everything, without being there and without seeing things about which they are speaking. And there is so much denying here. Why it is not possible that some ancient culture shaped the hill in a form of pyramid. same as chinese shaped their hills in a form of pyramid. They are not pyramids, but earthly pyramidal mounds. But still, to them that shape was obviously immportant.
but youre asking people to come spend their money. some might say that youre trying to trick people into spending their money and thats supported by some unethical and immoral behavior that oz can't escape from. then youre saying if you don't spend your money shut up and stop trying to stop others. it doesn't work that way and you'll never have a moments peace as long as you try. if you stop trying till after a mutually agreed upon decsion has been made, then you'll have massive support if that decision is in your favor. if its not, you will not be accused of misdeads.

as for the stone balls, if there is one lesson to be learned then its don't play with them yet. ask a costa rican. they really wish they'd left their balls alone.
Eratoh, Foundation is securing the money, so no one should spent their money. And furthermore, all I'm saying is that instead blind spitting, archeologists should contact Foundation and arrange discussion or working together. If next UNESCO visit recommend further excavation, they will surely recommend also their team of experts to visit the site, or international team of experts to visit the site Or to join the excavations. But some nasty people are writing to UNESCO, trying to prevent even their "probe" visit to determine and asses things founds so far. That's is highly unfair. And it loks like cover up of something. Let UNESCO comes with their expert team and let's hear their opinion. Their opinion would be far more respectable than Mr. Harding's opinion. I never dreamed that an archeologist on such high position can act like a unproffessional prick. Being there, mingled with tourists for 15 minutes, that's even ok. But giving final judgement based on that...well, I don't have even word for that.

And just let me add regarding excavations: when everything finishes in few years, books will be written about these excavations. Hundreds of people are volunteering in digging, local bussiness men from Visoko are bringing food and drinks for workers. It's not about the money; Osmanagich is wealthy bussinessman in USA, so he doesn't need it. Furthermore, I've heard thah he invested his money in preliminary geological probe dig in autumn 2005. he has his vision, and he already put the money where his mouth was.

as for stone balls, I don't know their origin, but I'm curious how they came to existance
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eratoh
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Post by eratoh »

stellarchaser wrote:
eratoh wrote:
stellarchaser wrote: Dear Eratoh, even today as I speak, every archeologist is invited to join the excavations. He or she can do that either as "believer" or independant scientist armed with scepticism, but in both ways it would be helpful to research that hill. And there is big posibility that lots of things can be found. from prehistoric to meadieval times. But lots of people criticizing everything, without being there and without seeing things about which they are speaking. And there is so much denying here. Why it is not possible that some ancient culture shaped the hill in a form of pyramid. same as chinese shaped their hills in a form of pyramid. They are not pyramids, but earthly pyramidal mounds. But still, to them that shape was obviously immportant.
but youre asking people to come spend their money. some might say that youre trying to trick people into spending their money and thats supported by some unethical and immoral behavior that oz can't escape from. then youre saying if you don't spend your money shut up and stop trying to stop others. it doesn't work that way and you'll never have a moments peace as long as you try. if you stop trying till after a mutually agreed upon decsion has been made, then you'll have massive support if that decision is in your favor. if its not, you will not be accused of misdeads.

as for the stone balls, if there is one lesson to be learned then its don't play with them yet. ask a costa rican. they really wish they'd left their balls alone.
Eratoh, Foundation is securing the money, so no one should spent their money. And furthermore, all I'm saying is that instead blind spitting, archeologists should contact Foundation and arrange discussion or working together. If next UNESCO visit recommend further excavation, they will surely recommend also their team of experts to visit the site, or international team of experts to visit the site Or to join the excavations. But some nasty people are writing to UNESCO, trying to prevent even their "probe" visit to determine and asses things founds so far. That's is highly unfair. And it loks like cover up of something. Let UNESCO comes with their expert team and let's hear their opinion. Their opinion would be far more respectable than Mr. Harding's opinion. I never dreamed that an archeologist on such high position can act like a unproffessional prick. Being there, mingled with tourists for 15 minutes, that's even ok. But giving final judgement based on that...well, I don't have even word for that.

in the marketing world, the forth lesson you learn [after location, location, location] is never respond to an attack directly as it validates that attack.

if there is a big tadoo here, then its the fault of archaeologists who are against you and you should thank them for that as its given you the opportunity you wanted in the first place. let unesco be that mutually acceptable decision. its been engineered to make everything ok or as ok as it can be.
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Post by stellarchaser »

eratoh wrote:
stellarchaser wrote:
eratoh wrote: but youre asking people to come spend their money. some might say that youre trying to trick people into spending their money and thats supported by some unethical and immoral behavior that oz can't escape from. then youre saying if you don't spend your money shut up and stop trying to stop others. it doesn't work that way and you'll never have a moments peace as long as you try. if you stop trying till after a mutually agreed upon decsion has been made, then you'll have massive support if that decision is in your favor. if its not, you will not be accused of misdeads.

as for the stone balls, if there is one lesson to be learned then its don't play with them yet. ask a costa rican. they really wish they'd left their balls alone.
Eratoh, Foundation is securing the money, so no one should spent their money. And furthermore, all I'm saying is that instead blind spitting, archeologists should contact Foundation and arrange discussion or working together. If next UNESCO visit recommend further excavation, they will surely recommend also their team of experts to visit the site, or international team of experts to visit the site Or to join the excavations. But some nasty people are writing to UNESCO, trying to prevent even their "probe" visit to determine and asses things founds so far. That's is highly unfair. And it loks like cover up of something. Let UNESCO comes with their expert team and let's hear their opinion. Their opinion would be far more respectable than Mr. Harding's opinion. I never dreamed that an archeologist on such high position can act like a unproffessional prick. Being there, mingled with tourists for 15 minutes, that's even ok. But giving final judgement based on that...well, I don't have even word for that.

in the marketing world, the forth lesson you learn [after location, location, location] is never respond to an attack directly as it validates that attack.

if there is a big tadoo here, then its the fault of archaeologists who are against you and you should thank them for that as its given you the opportunity you wanted in the first place. let unesco be that mutually acceptable decision. its been engineered to make everything ok or as ok as it can be.
I agree with tou 100%. let UNESCO comes and gives it's opinion.

But just for future correspondance: let it be known that it was Foudation that asked, through State presidency, UNESCO to come. And Presidency, which is highest body in the country after government, did that. That's why president or chairman of UNESCO visited the site. (I forgot his name, sorry). So nobody here is running from proffessional expertise, let's call it like that. But obviously, some want to prevent that expertise from UNESCO, which makes no sense to me at all.
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Ciko wrote: and photos from excavations , moon pyramid

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Look carefully at some of these photos for 'ripple marks' and see how they spread from one bit to another -- in other words, in those cases we are looking at breaks in the rocks.
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Post by zagor »

alrom wrote:
stellarchaser wrote:Could anyone please comment on these stone balls. As fai I know,simmilar ones have been found in Costarica and Mexico. Someone mentioned that they can be result of vulcanic erruption, but no volcanoes are known in Bosnia. And if there were volcanoes in Bosnia perhaps millions of years ago, then it could be expected that these balls would be deep under the surface, covered by geological strata.
They do not come from volcanoes. If I understood it correctly, they kind of 'grew'.

They start as some tiny impurity (a little stone, a fossil) that was trapped inside a sandstone strata (which by the way, it's sedimented sand from lakes or sea bottom that has become a stone slab). Sandstone is 'porous' to different minerals, I'm not sure about this, I suppose it's not like a sponge but it's a slow process. Ok, so we have the sandstone, a tiny impurity and minerals running through the sandstone.

When the minerals go close to the impurity, they get stuck in it. It's just very little mineral that gets stuck, but we're talking geological eras so we have plenty of time.

The impurity then grows, every time with more and more mineral stuck in it. With thousands of years, you get a very big round stone, inserted in the middle of the sedimentary rock.

I am not making this up. True geological phenomenon Look for 'cannonball concretions' on google.

Image

Image

I think there's a post somewhere written by a geologist and talking about this. Can't find it right now sorry.
http://www.ku.edu/~hoopes/balls/links.htm

Although some of these authors are often represented as having "discovered" these objects, the fact is that they have been known to scientists since they first came to light during agricultural activities by the United Fruit Company in 1940. Archaeological investigation of the stone balls began shortly thereafter, with the first scholarly publication about them appearing in 1943. They are hardly a new discovery, nor are they especially mysterious. In fact, archaeological excavations undertaken at sites with stone balls in the 1950s found them to be associated with pottery and other materials typical of the Pre-Columbian cultures of southern Costa Rica. Whatever "mystery" exists has more to do with loss of information due to the destruction of the balls and their archaeological contexts than lost continents, ancient astronauts, or transoceanic voyages.

Hundreds of stone balls have been documented in Costa Rica, ranging in size from a few centimeters to over two meters in diameter. Almost all of them are made of granodiorite, a hard, igneous stone. These objects are not natural in origin, unlike the stone balls in Jalisco, Mexico that were described in a 1965 National Geographic article. Rather, they are monolithic sculptures made by human hands.

The balls have been endangered since the moment of their discovery. Many have been destroyed, dynamited by treasure hunters or cracked and broken by agricultural activities. At the time of a major study undertaken in the 1950s, fifty balls were recorded as being in situ. Today, only a handful are known to be in their original locations.

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The first scholarly study of the balls was undertaken by Doris Stone immediately upon their discovery by workers for the United Fruit Company. Results of her investigation were published in 1943 in American Antiquity, the leading academic journal for archaeology in the United States. Samuel Lothrop, an archaeologist on the staff of the Peabody Museum of Archaeology and Ethnography at Harvard University, undertook major fieldwork concerning the balls in 1948. The final report on his study was published but the Museum in 1963. It contains maps of sites where the balls were found, detailed descriptions of pottery and metal objects found with and near them, and many photographs, measurements, and drawings of the balls, their alignments, and their stratigraphic contexts. Additional research on the balls by archaeologist Matthew Stirling was reported in the pages of National Geographic in 1969. In the late 1970s, archaeological survey on Isla del Caño (published in 1986) revealed balls in offshore contexts. Sites with balls were investigated and reported in the 1980s by Robert Drolet in the course of surveys and excavations in the Térraba Valley. In the late 1980s and early 1990s, Claude Baudez and his students from the University of Paris returned to the locations of Lothrop's earlier fieldwork in the Diquís delta to undertake a more careful analysis of the pottery of the area, producing more refined dates for the contexts of the balls. This research was published in Spanish in 1993, with an English summary appearing in 1996. Also in the early 1990s, the author undertook fieldwork around Golfito, documenting the existence of the easternmost examples of these balls. At this time, Enrico Dal Lago, a student at the University of Kansas, defended a Master's thesis on the subject of the balls. The most careful study of the balls, however, has been fieldwork undertaken from 1990-1995 by archaeologist Ifigenia Quintanilla under the auspices of the National Museum of Costa Rica. She was able to excavate several balls in situ, documenting the process of their manufacture and their cultural associations. Quintanilla's research has been the most complete field study of these objects since Lothrop. While still mostly unpublished, the information she collected is currently the subject of her graduate research at the University of Barcelona. Even with current research pending, the list of references on this Web site makes it clear that the stone balls have received a great deal of serious, scholarly attention.
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Post by eratoh »

stellarchaser wrote:
eratoh wrote:
stellarchaser wrote: Eratoh, Foundation is securing the money, so no one should spent their money. And furthermore, all I'm saying is that instead blind spitting, archeologists should contact Foundation and arrange discussion or working together. If next UNESCO visit recommend further excavation, they will surely recommend also their team of experts to visit the site, or international team of experts to visit the site Or to join the excavations. But some nasty people are writing to UNESCO, trying to prevent even their "probe" visit to determine and asses things founds so far. That's is highly unfair. And it loks like cover up of something. Let UNESCO comes with their expert team and let's hear their opinion. Their opinion would be far more respectable than Mr. Harding's opinion. I never dreamed that an archeologist on such high position can act like a unproffessional prick. Being there, mingled with tourists for 15 minutes, that's even ok. But giving final judgement based on that...well, I don't have even word for that.

in the marketing world, the forth lesson you learn [after location, location, location] is never respond to an attack directly as it validates that attack.

if there is a big tadoo here, then its the fault of archaeologists who are against you and you should thank them for that as its given you the opportunity you wanted in the first place. let unesco be that mutually acceptable decision. its been engineered to make everything ok or as ok as it can be.
I agree with tou 100%. let UNESCO comes and gives it's opinion.

But just for future correspondance: let it be known that it was Foudation that asked, through State presidency, UNESCO to come. And Presidency, which is highest body in the country after government, did that. That's why president or chairman of UNESCO visited the site. (I forgot his name, sorry). So nobody here is running from proffessional expertise, let's call it like that. But obviously, some want to prevent that expertise from UNESCO, which makes no sense to me at all.

well you got the chance with unesco by deception it seems so usually that would be profiting from criminal acts and usually you would'nt get to enjoy those profits.
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Post by stellarchaser »

eratoh wrote:
stellarchaser wrote:
eratoh wrote:
in the marketing world, the forth lesson you learn [after location, location, location] is never respond to an attack directly as it validates that attack.

if there is a big tadoo here, then its the fault of archaeologists who are against you and you should thank them for that as its given you the opportunity you wanted in the first place. let unesco be that mutually acceptable decision. its been engineered to make everything ok or as ok as it can be.
I agree with tou 100%. let UNESCO comes and gives it's opinion.

But just for future correspondance: let it be known that it was Foudation that asked, through State presidency, UNESCO to come. And Presidency, which is highest body in the country after government, did that. That's why president or chairman of UNESCO visited the site. (I forgot his name, sorry). So nobody here is running from proffessional expertise, let's call it like that. But obviously, some want to prevent that expertise from UNESCO, which makes no sense to me at all.

well you got the chance with unesco by deception it seems so usually that would be profiting from criminal acts and usually you would'nt get to enjoy those profits.
I don't understand? Are you saying that we deceived somebody through criminal acts?
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Post by eratoh »

stellarchaser wrote:
eratoh wrote:
stellarchaser wrote: I agree with tou 100%. let UNESCO comes and gives it's opinion.

But just for future correspondance: let it be known that it was Foudation that asked, through State presidency, UNESCO to come. And Presidency, which is highest body in the country after government, did that. That's why president or chairman of UNESCO visited the site. (I forgot his name, sorry). So nobody here is running from proffessional expertise, let's call it like that. But obviously, some want to prevent that expertise from UNESCO, which makes no sense to me at all.

well you got the chance with unesco by deception it seems so usually that would be profiting from criminal acts and usually you would'nt get to enjoy those profits.
I don't understand? Are you saying that we deceived anybody through criminal acts?
using peoples names and credentials without consent or knowledge. that was a critical deception in making this whole thing fly.
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Post by stellarchaser »

eratoh wrote:[quote

using peoples names and credentials without consent or knowledge. that was a critical deception in making this whole thing fly.
I still don't know what you're reffering, but I had enough of this spitting. No Bosnian is spitting on Canada, or any other country, nor any of us commenting your affairs. I've haven't seen so much viciousness in my life, as on this thread, which should be scientific thread. So let's make something very clear: WE in Bosnia don't need neither your help, nor your opinion, so keep your nose out of Bosnia. And that's friendly advice.
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Post by alrom »

zagor wrote:
http://www.ku.edu/~hoopes/balls/links.htm

Although some of these authors are often (... lots of text)
So are you implying that, because in Costa Rica someone supposedly made spherical stones, those found in Bosnia must be man-made too?

There are many examples of natural spherical concretions like the ones I described:

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My first pictures were from North Dakota, USA. These ones are from New Zealand. Those are called moeraki boulders.

http://images.google.es/images?q=moeraki%20boulders
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stellarchaser wrote:
eratoh wrote:[quote

using peoples names and credentials without consent or knowledge. that was a critical deception in making this whole thing fly.
I still don't know what you're reffering, but I had enough of this spitting. No Bosnian is spitting on Canada, or any other country, nor any of us commenting your affairs. I've haven't seen so much viciousness in my life, as on this thread, which should be scientific thread. So let's make something very clear: WE in Bosnia don't need neither your help, nor your opinion, so keep your nose out of Bosnia. And that's friendly advice.
thought you were serb? i understand why you might want to be bosnian.
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