Roman DNA

[E.P. Grondine]

good morning, simon

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 19131.html

You know, with your intense interest in Germanic mercenaries and Germanic sea raiders
you would have fit right in -
into Germany about 80 years ago.

[circumspice]

Ah... Now EP is playing the Nazi card... Are you running low on insults & slurs EP?

[E.P. Grondine]

good morning, spice

Just working on my Australian rules debating skills.

Ah... Now EP is playing the Nazi card...

Yes - a classic, and very appropriate in this case.

Are you running low on insults & slurs EP?

I certainly hope not.
It is just that the Nazi card so admirably fits
both simon's interests and his style -
there were other people around besides the Germanic mercenaries and sea raiders,
after all.

[Simon21]

good morning, spice

Just working on my Australian rules debating skills.

circumspice wrote:
Ah... Now EP is playing the Nazi card...

He has to play any card he can with his interest in "good" porn and his citing of 12 year olds

I certainly hope not.
It is just that the Nazi card so admirably fits
both simon's interests and his style -
there were other people around besides the Germanic mercenaries and sea raiders,
after all.

Oh dear Godwin's Law I win!!!

Now are you sure your friend has not gone to the police?

[Simon21]

good morning, simon

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 19131.html

You know, with your intense interest in Germanic mercenaries and Germanic sea raiders
you would have fit right in -
into Germany about 80 years ago.

Oh sad is the best you can do? I knew I could get you in bogeyman corner - Godwin's law. You've lost. Fish in a barrell.

What's really sad is that you are a descendant of these German mercenaries old half brain. Everytime you open your mouth. So you insult yourself - you are a nazi too (according to you)!!! You do this quite a lot, end up insulting yourself. It is quite hilarious.

But we must consider what you think a Nazi is? One of those mysterious peoples you make up like the Scottish Russians and the "Cruit"?

We must ask again, where is this friend you cited, what has become of him? Found out about your interests eh?

[Simon21]

Ah... Now EP is playing the Nazi card... Are you running low on insults & slurs EP?

I wouldn't worry I knew I could get him t say this eventually. It is classic argumentum ad Hitlerum.

I gather from other boards he has been pedalling porkies about his mother, so we are not dealing with scrupulous soul here.

I gather he thinks the US native nations are defined by diabetes and gambling and is on record as making up his ancestry - a deeply odious figure.

[Simon21]

https://www.archaeology.co.uk/articles/ ... ritain.htm

An exhbition worth seeing. Further evidence that comprehensive cultural change does not require mass immigration or invasion.

But of course the question Why in the case of the British remains unsolved.

[E.P. Grondine]

But of course the question Why in the case of the British remains unsolved.

Well, wanker, that's a question which you are peculiarly incapable of solving,
and particularly incapable of addressing.

simon, for some reason you want to think that rationality is a peculiarly Anglo-Saxon trait.
There are a billion Chinese who disagree with you on that,
and many tens of millions of Japanese as well.

Further evidence that comprehensive cultural change does not require mass immigration or invasion.

simon, you also see no point in letting the data interfere with your bull shitting.

Here's some data on mass immigration and invasion:



And some more detailed data:

Base? I mt Dna:
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/conten ... -I-map.png


PIE CRUIT? U3 mt DNA:
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/conten ... U3-map.png


Scottish cardiod pottery of 4,000 - 3,800 BCE? J mt DNA:
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/conten ... -J-map.png


The Celtic peoples? The Fir Bolc? K mt DNA:
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/conten ... -K-map.png


Germanic? Franks, Visigoths? Angles? Saxons? H1-H3 mt DNA:
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/conten ... H3-map.png


Byzantine under the Late Empire? T1 mt DNA:
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/conten ... T1-map.png


This musing on Y DNA Indo-European from http://www.thecid.com/ is interesting:








As I am going to need this map of European X mt DNAfor other work,
this is a good place to park it.
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/conten ... -X-map.png

from
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogro ... DNmt.shtml

wanker, I am sure you'll find this amazing,
but scientific work can actually be done in the French language.

[E.P. Grondine]

So let us tackle this two king system -



Saint Orland's Stone - note the paired dogs, the paired rings with Z bar, and the crescent with V bar

paired dogs again -


Another pair of beasties/dogs - hellhounds


paired seals - no, sea lions, note the ears






paired animals, Galloway hoard -



This guy really knows his local battles for the area of the Galloway hoard:
Most likely candidate:
https://senchus.wordpress.com/2015/02/1 ... ck-ad-750/

other battles analyzed there by him as well
https://senchus.wordpress.com/2015/04/2 ... en-ystrat/

staffordshire hoard paired animals -


beastie from staffordshire hoard -


seal - YES, THISIS A F*****G SEAL, AND THERE WERE NONE OF THEM IN GAUL OR GERMANIA -

(now to go back up to the inscriptions)

bird - these are always identified as hawks or eagles, without further identification - the beaks differ, but as I don't know my bird species




isotopic atomic elemental analysis, but not on the gold yet, as near as I can see -
http://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/arc ... nloads.cfm

[Simon21]

Saint Orland's Stone - note the paired dogs, the paired rings with Z bar, and the crescent with V bar

Actually speculation, not entirely known what this is meant to depict.

paired dogs again -

But they may not be dogs and the image is quite conventional both pagan and christian

Another pair of beasties/dogs - hellhounds

Oh dear now its changed, now they've become hellhounds ops EP is losing it again

Well that didn't take long

This guy really knows his local battles for the area of the Galloway hoard:
Most likely candidate:
https://senchus.wordpress.com/2015/02/1 ... ck-ad-750/

other battles analyzed there by him as well
https://senchus.wordpress.com/2015/04/2 ... en-ystrat/

And how would you know since you don't know where Galloway is?
As for the other images if anyone can explain what they are supposed to prove apart from the fact that half brain likes pretty pictures then please let us know?

For anyone else the Galloway hoard is a Viking hoard (so nothing to do with the Picts) which features items from the Irish sea zone. A goood exposition can be gained from the National Museum of Scotland: https://www.nms.ac.uk/gallowayhoard. Our blighted friend has a weak grasp of Eurpean geography soo it is possible he thinks the Vikings were Scottish, or Pictish. One cannot tell with such incoherence

Needless to say the items are irelevant for a discussion on the acculturalisation of Britain, being 200 years after the period. And needless to say, some of the most important items were of Anglo-Saxon manufacture


And finally the coup de grace:

isotopic atomic elemental analysis, but not on the gold yet, as near as I can see -
http://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/arc ... nloads.cfm

:Which analysis states:

The importance of identifying that these transparent red glasses are of a type associated
with Anglo-Saxon objects of a particular time period is clear. However, more than this, the
analysis indicates that the millefiori containing the transparent red glasses were produced by
contemporary, possibly Anglo-Saxon, glass workers. This is the first time that it can be
shown that the producers of these objects were not using recycled Roman millefiori, but
contemporary, or even Anglo-Saxon produced, millefiori.

Oh deary dear. Argue with someone, come up with a wacko theory, then quote documents which effectively contradict one's own craziness.
I do hope this individual didn't sign any documents without assistance before going into his care home.

[Simon21]

simon, you also see no point in letting the data interfere with your bull shitting.

Here's some data on mass immigration and invasion:

Translating Grondinese to English. "Here are some pretty pics so badly drawn they mean nothing. My other hand was full"

As I am going to need this for other work,

Such as when the nurse gives me a cookie for making a lovely pattern

Well, wanker, that's a question which you are peculiarly incapable of solving,and particularly incapable of addressing.

Coming from someone who admits to good porn and refers to 12 year old children, I would watch my foul mouth.

And some more detailed data:

Base?:
Image

PIE CRUIT?:
Image

Scottish cardiod pottery of 4,000 - 3,800 BCE?:
Image

The Celtic peoples? The Fir Bolc?:
Image

Germanic? Franks, Visigoths? Angles? Saxons?:
Image

Byzantine under the Late Empire?:
Image

This musing on Indo-European from http://www.thecid.com/ is interesting:

Image

Image

Image

And PIE Cruit to you (is this some war cry of the Ohio Conmen brigade?).

Doesn't even know the meaning of the word data. Here is some real data for you to consider:

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/ ... ond-stroke
https://www.stroke.org.uk/resources/com ... ter-stroke

The second one is particularly relevant. Not a laughing matter but yet another reason this individual needs removing.

If of course you were not lying about that as well. You apparently lied about your own mother so we cannot be sure.

[Simon21]

Leaving aside our foul-mouthed psycho friend who beleives his own culture bears some relation to the Third reich (don't ask), that there are no seals in North Europe and that Tiffany's uses stone tools (or should do) to make its jewellery, it is good to return to the subject:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B079Y7JNN7/ ... TF8&btkr=1

Inscriptions frm Roman Britain seem to have had something of an explosion in recent years. Not only from memorials but also the more informal material - wax tablets etc.

This is important from the point of view of how deep did Roman culture pervade the Island.

For some time it has vbeen assumed that Roman Culture was essentially superficiaL and the Britons simply went through the motions, unlike the Gauls, the Spanish tribes etc. But the inscriptions seem too indicate that literacy in Latin was far deeper than previously believed.

All this received a tremendous boost when Guy Le Beydourie cracked the riddle of the Carausian coins about 8 years ago. In a startling burst f brilliance Beydourie showed that the mysterious Pnemonics on the coins were actual quotes from Vergil.

This means that Carausius, who had usurped power in Britain (286-296), beleived the populace was literate enough to understand his references.

Of course anyone fund using the coins after his defeat would have faced execution, no doubt this is why so many were preserved.

Yet all this culture dissapears and we end up in the fifth century with the Oagham stones, whose inscriptions are simple angle cuts.

[circumspice]

As I am going to need this for other work, this is a good place to park it.
Image
from
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogro ... DNmt.shtml

This statement by EP is fairly indicative of his intention to co-opt this board for his own purposes.

[Simon21]

As I am going to need this for other work, this is a good place to park it.
Image
from
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogro ... DNmt.shtml


This statement by EP is fairly indicative of his intention to co-opt this board for his own purposes.

All the more reason for him to be banned. He admits other boards have evicted him and frankly his mucky mind more than justifies expulsion.

[E.P. Grondine]

well, wanker, either come up with the site of 1 Anglo-Saxon metalsmith's workshop,
or go apply for a job with Ancient Aliens.

Just because you and some other people claim that
the gold garnet inlaid bling found in Ango-Saxon graves was of Anglo-Saoxn manufacture
does not make it so,
anymore than the claims of the various "experts" on Ancient Aliens
makes anything they say so.

I have already provided you with links to metalsmiths workshops in Scotland from that time period,
and no, later metalsmith's workshops are not relevant,
nor are any workshops where gold bling was not manufactured.

The next thing I expect form you is a denial
protesting that the Anglo-Saxon's were not sea raiders and fierce warriors
who regularly engaged in plunder.

Why the hell you think that only people raised in an "Anglo-Saxon" environment
are capable of rational thought is beyond me.

I am really tired of you putting words in my mouth,
ya lying bastard,
and I hope tiompan is enjoying this.