The Old World is a reference to those parts of Earth known to Europeans before the voyages of Christopher Columbus; it includes Europe, Asia and Africa.
well, wanker, either come up with the site of 1 Anglo-Saxon metalsmith's workshop,
or go apply for a job with Ancient Aliens.
Just because you and some other people claim that
the gold garnet inlaid bling found in Ango-Saxon graves was of Anglo-Saoxn manufacture
does not make it so,
anymore than the claims of the various "experts" on Ancient Aliens
makes anything they say so.
I have already provided you with links to metalsmiths workshops in Scotland from that time period,
and no, later metalsmith's workshops are not relevant,
nor are any workshops where gold bling was not manufactured.
The next thing I expect form you is a denial
protesting that the Anglo-Saxon's were not sea raiders and fierce warriors
who regularly engaged in plunder.
Why the hell you think that only people raised in an "Anglo-Saxon" environment
are capable of rational thought is beyond me.
I am really tired of you putting words in my mouth,
ya lying bastard,
and I hope tiompan is enjoying this.
Your upset again. Embarassing when you contradict your own argument. Here is what your dcument says:
The importance of identifying that these transparent red glasses are of a type associated
with Anglo-Saxon objects of a particular time period is clear. However, more than this, the
analysis indicates that the millefiori containing the transparent red glasses were produced by
contemporary, possibly Anglo-Saxon, glass workers. This is the first time that it can be
shown that the producers of these objects were not using recycled Roman millefiori, but
contemporary, or even Anglo-Saxon produced, millefiori.
And who listens to an old fraud who tried to pretend he was a native American so he could open a Casino - and couldn't even do that properely.
As I explained to you earlier
you have two tasks to accomplish before you make
any claim that Anglo Saxons manufactured that inlaid gold bling:
1) show at least one metalsmith's workshop from that time
2) then explain why the Anglo-Saxon metalworkers used Pict motifs
Jumping up and down and shouting "Anglo-Saxon"
is no substitute for that evidence.
It also does not matter how many people do that either.
It should come as no surprise to find plunder in Anglo-Saxon graves,
as contemporary records remember the Anglo-Saxons as murdering thieves.
Au contraire, plunder is exactly what you would expect to find in their graves.
And in their treasure hoards.
As I explained to you earlier
you have two tasks to accomplish before you make
any claim that Anglo Saxons manufactured that inlaid gold bling:
1) show at least one metalsmith's workshop from that time
2) then explain why the Anglo-Saxon metalworkers used Pict motifs
The importance of identifying that these transparent red glasses are of a type associated
with Anglo-Saxon objects of a particular time period is clear. However, more than this, the
analysis indicates that the millefiori containing the transparent red glasses were produced by
contemporary, possibly Anglo-Saxon, glass workers. This is the first time that it can be
shown that the producers of these objects were not using recycled Roman millefiori, but
contemporary, or even Anglo-Saxon produced, millefiori.#
Your own evidence idiot go back to your porn
Jumping up and down and shouting "Anglo-Saxon"
is no substitute for that evidence.
It also does not matter how many people do that either.
Screaming ridiculous racial theory about a civilisation you know nothing about idiot is not evidence of anything.Racial bigotry is not evidence save of your mucky mind
It should come as no surprise to find plunder in Anglo-Saxon graves,
as contemporary records remember the Anglo-Saxons as murdering thieves.
Au contraire, plunder is exactly what you would expect to find in their graves.
And in their treasure hoards.
The Anglo Saxons civilisation stretches for 500 years idiot. You are a product of it. Not a good product of it I admit, lyiing about your own family to gain advantage.
Time for you to go
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Apologies to people intersted in archaeology. My area - the acculturilsation of the Romano British is unfortunately targetted by the occasional fraud and charlataan as it is still being researched intensively.
This individual was prepared to pretend he was a native American so he could establish a casino (though wht the two have in common is only clear in his fevered brain). Having failed he then fell back on bitter racism. Occasionally he makes up mythical friends and peoples like a group of Russian settlers in Scotland. Extraordinary stuff
But leaving his witterings aside, hopefully he will be removed soon, there has been a book published:
King Arthur’s Wars: The Anglo-Saxon Conquest of England
Sadly there is no evidence that King Arthur even existed much less fought any wars, the Britons themselves seem to have been far more concerned with Magnus Maximus (c. 335—August 28, 388) who is listed as a progenitor of several kingly families.
But interestingly this book reminds us of the Wallachians and the "Welsh of Chur". In both cases the word Welsh is a derogatory one for foreigners who can't speak the proper language.
Chur is in modern Romania and we are lucky to have a number of records which explain the end of Roman rule there. Basically the money ran out and the garrison dissolved. The Germanic invaders from the North moved in.
But unlike Britain these people did not replace the local culture. Romanian is a latin language so the newcomers were subsumed into the wider population. These invaders it should be noted were far wilder and more numerous than the Anglo Saxons - as indeed the Franks were in France, yet here again the resident population prevailed. There is only one Franksih word in Gregory of Tours whole chronicle and only one British word in English - bin.
Given that the first contemporary memories of the Anglo Saxons
portray them as murdering thieves,
why should we be surprised to find plunder at their sites?
The importance of identifying that these transparent red glasses are of a type associated
with Anglo-Saxon objects of a particular time period is clear. However, more than this, the
analysis indicates that the millefiori containing the transparent red glasses were produced by
contemporary, possibly Anglo-Saxon, glass workers. This is the first time that it can be
shown that the producers of these objects were not using recycled Roman millefiori, but
contemporary, or even Anglo-Saxon produced, millefiori.
I do love that quote, it makes you look such a fool, supplying evidence to contradict your own arguments. No wonder no one wants to work with you.
Look, ya lying bastard,
Oh dear remember that stroke you claim to have had!!!!
And at least I have not pretended to be a native American so I could set up a casino. Do they do that often in Ohio?
Given that the first contemporary memories of the Anglo Saxons
portray them as murdering thieves,
why should we be surprised to find plunder at their sites?
But you can't read any of the sources can you? Opps
Ahh so the sources are worth getting hold of. Another flip. Not very consistent are you /size]
[But sadly you obviously haven't even read the translation have you you porn-loving liar. If you had you would know it paints the Picts as crude barbarians - completely undercutting your half witted arguments that they are responsible for all the metalwork produced in Northern Europe for over 500 years.
Gildas contradicts you old lumper - go back to your first interest. As Stormy Daniels said to POTUS (and she would know) her whole industry is based on lies.
Now let's have some fun. What is De Excidio Britonum? and half brain I mean what actually is it? Why did Gildas Sapiens write it? Oh and where did he write it. Be careful now!!!!!!
Going back and checking, I found that I made a mistake.
The Anglo Saxons were remembered not as simple murdering thieves,
but as lying murderous thieves:
"Their mother-land, finding her first brood thus successful, sent forth a larger company of her wolfish offspring, which sailing over, joined themselves to their bastard-born comrades. From that time the germ of iniquity and the root of contention planted their poison among us, and shot forth into leaves and branches.
The barbarians being thus introduced as soldiers into the island, to encounter, as they falsely said, any dangers in defence of their hospitable entertainers, obtained an allowance of provisions, which, for some time being plentifully bestowed, stopped their doggish mouths.
"Yet they then complained that their monthly supplies were not furnished in sufficient abundance, and they industriously aggravated each occasion of quarrel, saying that unless more liberality was shown them, they would break the treaty and plunder the whole island.
"In a short time, they followed up their threats with deeds.
"For the fire of vengeance, justly kindled by former crimes, spread from sea to sea, fed by the hands of our foes in the east, and did not cease, until, destroying the neighbouring towns and lands, it reached the other side of the island, and dipped its red and savage tongue in the western ocean.
"And yet neither to this day are the cities of our country inhabited as before, but being forsaken and overthrown, still lie desolate; our foreign wars having ceased, but our civil troubles still remaining."
Sorry about that.
I stand corrected.
Lying murderous thieves, and not simply murderous thieves.
The importance of identifying that these transparent red glasses are of a type associated
with Anglo-Saxon objects of a particular time period is clear. However, more than this, the
analysis indicates that the millefiori containing the transparent red glasses were produced by
contemporary, possibly Anglo-Saxon, glass workers. This is the first time that it can be
shown that the producers of these objects were not using recycled Roman millefiori, but
contemporary, or even Anglo-Saxon produced, millefiori.
Your source not mine sweety
Going back and checking, I found that I made a mistake.
The Anglo Saxons were remembered not as simple murdering thieves,
but as lying murderous thieves:
Oh dear I wouldn't call myself and my ancestors murdering thieves old half brain, sounds like you have psycho self-hatred problems. I don't blame you if I were you I would hate myself too.
Their mother-land, finding her first brood thus successful, sent forth a larger company of her wolfish offspring, which sailing over, joined themselves to their bastard-born comrades. From that time the germ of iniquity and the root of contention planted their poison among us, and shot forth into leaves and branches.
I can quote the Latin to you if you like? But you don't read Latin do you. Now about the Picts and Scots:
Picts and Scots, like worms which in the heat of mid-day come forth from their holes,
You claim these "worms" can make introcate gold objects with stones.
Oh dear Grondine does it againQuotes a source that contradicts him. Must be the result of his porn hobby.
I'm knocking you about old son, its only a matter of time
The barbarians being thus introduced as soldiers into the island, to encounter, as they falsely said, any dangers in defence of their hospitable entertainers, obtained an allowance of provisions, which, for some time being plentifully bestowed, stopped their doggish mouths.
This is probably a reference to annona, these were foederati
"Yet they complained that their monthly supplies were not furnished in sufficient abundance, and they industriously aggravated each occasion of quarrel, saying that unless more liberality was shown them, they would break the treaty and plunder the whole island.
Hence foederati
"In a short time, they followed up their threats with deeds.
"For the fire of vengeance, justly kindled by former crimes, spread from sea to sea, fed by the hands of our foes in the east, and did not cease, until, destroying the neighbouring towns and lands, it reached the other side of the island, and dipped its red and savage tongue in the western ocean.
Gildas also says Hadrian's Wall runs horizontaly in Britain - which means, you, don't, take, him, literally
"And yet neither to this day are the cities of our country inhabited as before, but being forsaken and overthrown, still lie desolate; our foreign wars having ceased, but our civil troubles still remaining."
You seem to have left out the bit about Christains killing each other and committing incest and child murder
I wonder why that could be? Too close to home perhaps?
Our dishonest colleague has cited Gilda to try and prove that the Anglo-Saxons were nasty thieves. A pointless thing to say about anyone in the fifth century since the Roman elite themselves were busily forcing their tenenats into serfdom and Christian mobs were murdering jews, women and anyone else who seemed to oppose their world view.
But there is no doubting that Gildas is significant for this period for only he and Patrick were contemporaries in the period they were writing about.
The trouble with using Gildas is you need to be aware of what he is doing. He was not writing history, he is writing a sermon. He therefore uses biblical imagery and phrasing to express himself. Unless you know this you will not understand what he is saying. He is not a modern journalist and cannot be taken literally. He contradicts himself in severfal sections - plainly the British were not "all" killed or exiled since he later says they are still fighting the Anglo-Saxons. He is calling the rulers of Britain to better courses.
As regards the Adventus of the Anglo-Saxons we have several problems. First Gildas refers to 3 "keels" (he uses an Anglo-Saxon word, which is interesting) of invaders. But this would only be 90 men. He speaks about reinforcements but even if 10 times that number came over (and where would they get the boats?) 1000 warriors are not going to conquer three million. William the Conqueror did it with 10-12 thousand, but he wiped out the political elite in one great battle and promptly sent for reinforcements. His heavy horsemen were also unstoppable.
The Saxons weere foot soldiers who were not better equipped than their opponents.
Another key point to undeerstand is that to Gildas, like most christians the barabarians are pagans, This is a crucial distinction. The Franks who were a stronger people than the Anglo-Saxons were converted to Catholicism. From that moment they became christ's soldiers not barbarians. This did not stop them killing children and each other in large numbers.
And let's put the this silly notion ot bed. There is no evidence for particular Pictish gold workshops, none - there is practically no evidence for any such things in the whole of Western Europe - for obvious reasons.
The artifacts found in the Anglo Saxon burials come from Northern Europe and were either made by themselves (Wayalnd the Smith) or traded. Interestingly there is evidence that there was considerable grave robbing at this period and some high-status jewellery is made from recycled roman items
It is clear our colleague has trouble comprehending both English and Latin.
According to Gildas,
the Anglo Saxons were not simply "nasty" thieves,
but lying murdering thieves.
He has already demonstrated his complete ignorance of those excavation reports of the metal workers workshops,
but then as many of those excavation reports were written in English,
that is to be expected.
Then you get to the museum collections,
where a person can simply use their eyes to see the artifacts.
Our colleague has claimed to have visited the central museum in Dublin,
where the Irish stone metal working tools are on display.
Yet as he has made no mention of them,
we must assume he is blind as well as stupid, poor fellow.
There have been claims made that self stimulation can lead to blindness,
but whether our poster is evidence of this,
or whether his condition is evidence that blindness and stupidity lead to self simulation,
is an issue beyond the scope of archaeology,
unless there have been some Roman or Greek finds made of which I am not aware of.
Let us all hope that the Renaissance Faire reopens soon,
so that this poor fellow can find some gainful employment wearing his armor.
They say that Jesus comforted the lame and bind,
so perhaps we too should show Christian charity towards the disabled,
even if they do not say much about the stupid.
The importance of identifying that these transparent red glasses are of a type associated
with Anglo-Saxon objects of a particular time period is clear. However, more than this, the
analysis indicates that the millefiori containing the transparent red glasses were produced by
contemporary, possibly Anglo-Saxon, glass workers. This is the first time that it can be
shown that the producers of these objects were not using recycled Roman millefiori, but
contemporary, or even Anglo-Saxon produced, millefiori.
Your source not mine sweety
This individual cannot read his own sources
He has already demonstrated his complete ignorance of those excavation reports of the metal workers workshops,
but then as many of those excavation reports were written in English,that is to be expected.
Such reports do not exist and are the figmants of our friend's porn-addled mnind
Then you get to the museum collections,
where a person can simply use their eyes to see the artifacts.
Our colleague has claimed to have visited the central museum in Dublin,
where the Irish stone metal working tools are on display.
Yet as he has made no mention of them,
we must assume he is blind as well as stupid, poor fellow.
Oh weren't we told all Irish goldware was made in Scotland? More self-contradictions. I win again
This individual has not been to a museum and has not seen the artifacts, we know that because the captions beside the objects are clear. We also know he has never been to Ireland because if he suggested every irish article of value was made in Scotland he would be remaking his face. And god knows it needs it.
There have been claims made that self stimulation can lead to blindness,
but whether our poster is evidence of this,
or whether his condition is evidence that blindness and stupidity lead to self simulation,
is an issue beyond the scope of archaeology,
unless there have been some Roman or Greek finds made of which I am not aware of.
We also know that interests in 12 year old children and porn leads to arrests. Are the police about to swoop?
Let us all hope that the Renaissance Faire reopens soon,
so that this poor fellow can find some gainful employment wearing his armor.
They say that Jesus comforted the lame and bind,
so perhaps we too should show Christian charity towards the disabled,
even if they do not say much about the stupid.
I do hope this individual is not going to this renaissance faire - it sounds like it might attract children. The Renaisance occured in the 15th century so the moron is only 1000 years out. But then Ohio seems about 1000 years behind everywhere else.
Again fish in a barrel all of 2 minutes
[quote='"simon"]
The artifacts found in the Anglo Saxon burials come from Northern Europe
and were either made by themselves (Wayalnd the Smith) or traded.
[/quote]
Well this poor fellow is getting closer,
as Scotland is indeed in Northern Europe.
Who knows, perhaps a decade from now he'll learn about the motifs found in Pict art.
But what are we all supposed to do in the meantime?
Once again,
the poor fellow seems incapable of comprehending contemporary reports of the events that occurred then,
even those translated into plain English,
that the early Anglo Saxons first appear
as lying murdering thieves.
It is a stretch to call the raids of those lying murdering thieves "trade",
and to identify their plunder as "trade" goods,
as this poor fellow and his fellow "enthusiasts" would have us believe.
Well, at least he is not claiming that the planet Mars is a nice as the Earth.
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The importance of identifying that these transparent red glasses are of a type associated
with Anglo-Saxon objects of a particular time period is clear. However, more than this, the
analysis indicates that the millefiori containing the transparent red glasses were produced by
contemporary, possibly Anglo-Saxon, glass workers. This is the first time that it can be
shown that the producers of these objects were not using recycled Roman millefiori, but
contemporary, or even Anglo-Saxon produced, millefiori.
Your source not mine sweety
Well this poor fellow is getting closer, as Scotland is in Northern Europe.
But it is not part of Denmark as our pervert beleives.
Who knows, perhaps a decade from now he'll learn about the motifs found in Pict art.
But what are we supposed to do in the meantime?
Keep your hands to yourself for one. Learn to read a book for another
Once again,
the poor fellow seems incapable of comprehending contemporary reports,
even those translated into English,
that the early Anglo Saxons first appear
as lying murdering thieves.
Oh what language is that again? Let's hear it. English. Self contradicting again
It is a stretch to call the raids of those lying murdering thieves "trade",
and to identify their plunder as "trade" goods,
as this poor fellow would have us believe.
No one beleives you mate do they. Someone who tried to claim he is a Shawnee so he can open a Casino on native land. Thrown out on your arse were you not?:
E.P. wrote:
Well, at least he is not claiming that the planet Mars is a nice as the Earth.
This may seem a long way from archaeology,
but then the social phenomenon bear comparison.
The manned Mars flight enthusiasts would have us BELIEVE
that the planet Mars is as nice as the Earth,
while this poor fellow would have us BELIEVE
that the early Anglo-Saxons were not lying murdering thieves.
When confronted with evidence to the contrary,
that instead of being like the Earth,
Mars is a desolate uninhabitable rock
with a vacuum for an atmosphere
and bathed with deadly levels of radiation,
the manned Mars flight "enthusiasts" get both verbose and abusive,
which is exactly the behavior of this poor fellow.
The manned Mars flight enthusiasts are mentally stuck in the early 1950's,
the last time when people could BELIEVE
that Mars was like the Earth,
while this poor fellow is mentally stuck in 1978 or so,
before the development of regional archaeologies in Britain.
The manned Mars flight enthusiasts will desperately grasp at any straw
to maintain their delusions,
and so will this poor fellow.
For the most recent demonstration of this
he and his friends can not understand that Roman knowledge of glass making
had spread from the Near East to other parts of the Empire.
Thus by their delusional "logic"
if glass is found which is not from the Near East,
it HAS to have been made by Anglo Saxons.
I suspect that to deal what they view as severe insurmountable difficulties in their lives
the manned Mars flight "enthusiasts" occupy their minds
with their fantasies about men on Mars.
I know all to well that when you deprive them of this mechanism
they will react like heroin addicts deprived of their fix.
And the same behaviors is seen in this poor delusional fellow's writings.
But in his case I think that we are seeing is a confusion of rationality with Anglo Saxon,
and his behaviors are best considered as
an attempt by him to bring a "rationality" to his world.
The problem that he has is that any rational examination of the data
shows that the early Anglo Saxons role in the real world was quite different,
that they were lying murdering thieves.
I'd also like to point out that in the real world
the Scots in Glasgow and Edinburg were famous
for their fine engineering skills and rationality.
Following on the losses in the trenches of the First World War,
it is a pleasure to see that logic
now applied to their ancient history once again.
