Bosnian pyramids, Part II, no photos please!

[stellarchaser]

Barakat seems to have indeed committed himself by saying that the hill has been somewhat "terraformed" by humans. This is not too surprising since it was once a regional capitol in the middle ages. If what he says stands up to professional scrutiny then it is indeed a pyramid of sorts.

Now who did it and when is still undetermined. As far as I can tell none of the scientists at the site have offerred an opinion on that.

Sadly though, Barakat is bound to get "hammered" in this forum today.

He said that he is convinced that Visochica is "terraformed" and that humans were cutting, and shapping existing stone blocks, but also that were bringing stone blocks from different places.

No, because obviously they have not enough data for it. I think they just scratched the surface there.

[stellarchaser]

Would one of you guys mind translating this for the rest of us?

U Sarajevu je danas međunarodni tim stručnjaka, koji su predvodili eksperti iz Egipta, prezentirao dosadašnje rezultate naučnih istraživanja na projektu Bosanska dolina piramida, a prema riječima Ali Abdulaha Berekata, jednog od vodećih egipatskih stručnjaka za istraživanje piramida i geologa u Javnoj egipatskoj ustanovi za rudna bogatstva, nema sumnje da je brdo Visočica kod Visokog djelo ljudskih ruku. Na današnjoj prezentaciji mišljenje je iznijela i magistrica arheoloških nauka Lamija El-Habibi, koja je kazala da je svaki dan jedan korak naprijed u istraživanjima, te da je u protekla dva dana pronađena još jedna struktura kamenih blokova. Ona je kazala da još nisu pronađeni predmeti koji bi odredili strarost ove strukture, ali se nada da će se uskoro i to desiti. Prema riječima Semira Osmanagića, u sondažnim tunelima su pronađene kamene ploče na kojima su napisani znakovi, a u narednom periodu bit će angažovani stručnjaci koji će ih pokušati dešifrovati. Postojanje tih ploča potvrdio je i Berekat.

I'll do it best I can, though I'm not best at it.

It is though only summary of much longer news, and I can't find it in english. Pricks!

"International team of experts led by Egyptian experts today in Sarajevo have presented up to date results of research of projekt called "Bosnian valley of pyramids."
According to Ali Barakat, one of leading egyptian geologists, there's no doubt that Visochica Hill near Visoko town is man-made.
On today's press conference spoke also egyptian archeologist Lamya El Habibi, who said that each day something new is found, and that in last two days they have found new stone block structures. She said also that they didn't find anything so far that would help them do date these structures, but that she hopes it will happen soon. According to Semir Osmanagich, new stone plates with unknown inscriptions have been found in the tunnels, and that new experts will be angaged in order to try to decipher those inscriptions. The existance of these stone plates was also confirmed by Mr. Barakat."

[Ciko]

photos from conferance

osmanagich begins conferance
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/1733/pr17lj.jpg

osmanagich with egyptian experts , barakat and al hadidy
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/17/pr21cb.jpg

barakat presents evidence
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/7061/pr38lq.jpg

lamia al hadidy presents evidence
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/2859/pr42ue.jpg


Barakat said: For me as a scientist, explorer and geologist there is no doubt that this is work of man . Such perfect formatians nature does not.

Lamia hadidy said: it is impossible for nature to create such walls and this buildings. Nature can not make one side (of the pyramid) not to talk about 3 or 4 sides. For us there is much much more work to find all secrets that this walley is hiding.

she said: it is normal why people are divided (about pyramid in bosnia). when you mention pyramid , many people think of egyptian pyramids, and if they do not look like that, they are not pyramids.
Pyramids in egypt and mexico or somewhere else are unique,, all pyramids are unique and they can not be compareable with other pyramid

i think that Barakat said , that this hill was reshaped into a pyramid, and stone blocks was placed there


i am waiting for more info from conferance

[stellarchaser]

Barakat seems to have indeed committed himself by saying that the hill has been somewhat "terraformed" by humans. This is not too surprising since it was once a regional capitol in the middle ages. If what he says stands up to professional scrutiny then it is indeed a pyramid of sorts.

Now who did it and when is still undetermined. As far as I can tell none of the scientists at the site have offerred an opinion on that.

Sadly though, Barakat is bound to get "hammered" in this forum today.

Well. Mr. Robert Schoch is comming soon to Visochica, so we'll get another opinion. It'll be really interested that we hear opinion of the scientists here, if it turns out that Visochica is really reshaped.

[Minimalist]

Thanks for the translation, Stellar.

[zagor]

i am waiting for more info from conferance

In meantime on a moment forget the pyramids and take a look in these beautifl picture from BiH and Croatia.

http://www.sarajevo-x.com/forum/viewtop ... sc&start=0

http://www.gorskikotar.hr/pages/bijele- ... ar_jpg.htm

enjoy

[eratoh]

She said also that they didn't find anything so far that would help them do date these structures, but that she hopes it will happen soon.

what she means is they haven't found anything with a date to support their theory right? i've seen artifacts in pictures than can clearly be dated.

[Minimalist]

i am waiting for more info from conferance

In meantime on a moment forget the pyramids and take a look in these beautifl picture from BiH and Croatia.

http://www.sarajevo-x.com/forum/viewtop ... sc&start=0

http://www.gorskikotar.hr/pages/bijele- ... ar_jpg.htm

enjoy

Nice but I think those waterfalls are man-made. Where's Oz?

[Guest]

i for one remain skeptical as these presentations were just too general and too convenient.

hadidy's comments were just ridiculous as she bends over backwards to say it is a pyramid even though it is not constructed like one.

both barakat and hadidy seem to ignore history in their analysis as they seek to credit the existing structures with pyramid builders and not what is known to be on those hills.

new stone plates with unknown inscriptions have been found in the tunnels

this should be interesting. though i have known people to interpret finds based upon what they want to find not what it is really

[Paul H.]

Barakat seems to have indeed committed himself by saying that the hill has been somewhat "terraformed" by humans. This is not too surprising since it was once a regional capitol in the middle ages. If what he says stands up to professional scrutiny then it is indeed a pyramid of sorts.

It seems like they are doing quite a bit of backtracking from their original claims and the reconstructions of the Bosnian pyramids showing them being stepped pyramids similar to the Pyramid of the Sun in Mexico. I guess they will have to remove all of these recostructions from their web pages showing Mexican pyramid-like reconstructions. This is exactly the backtracking, which some, but not all, of the alternative archaeologist have done with Yonaguni in Japan. It sounds like they are doing nothing more but rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

However, calling a hill a "pyramid" simply because it has modified in some manner by man, to me, shows a fundamental diregard of how the term is defined. For example, there are many mountains in Kentucky, which have been modified by strip mining and mined land reclamation, but that does not make them pyramids. Fresh Kill Landfill in New York City is a man-made mountian, however, that fails miserably to make it a pyramid.

An article about Fresh Kill is "Fresh Kill...Park?" at:
http://www.gothamist.com/archives/2003/ ... llpark.php
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresh_Kills_Landfill .

By the way:

Compare the pictures at:

http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/gallery/ ... G_0508.jpg
http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/gallery/ ... 139234.jpg and
http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/gallery/ ... 28moon.JPG

with the pictures at

http://www.tonyhowell.co.uk/kilve,steps.htm ,
http://www.tonyhowell.co.uk/new/4048kilve.htm ,
http://www.tonyhowell.co.uk/new/4046kilve.htm , and
http://www.tonyhowell.co.uk/new/kilve.htm

Also, compare the picture at:

http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/gallery/ ... 060pi5.jpg

With the picture at

http://www.glass-fusion.co.uk/kilve-beach.jpg .

This picture is from http://www.glass-fusion.co.uk/CSGKilve.html .

Yours,

Paul

[Guest]

For example, there are many mountains in Kentucky, which have been modified by strip mining and mined land reclamation, but that does not make them pyramids. Fresh Kill Landfill in New York City is a man-made mountian, however, that fails miserably to make it a pyramid.

but in a 1000 years or so, psuedo-archaeologists will claim that they are pyramids just not built like the egyptian ones

[zagor]

Barakat seems to have indeed committed himself by saying that the hill has been somewhat "terraformed" by humans. This is not too surprising since it was once a regional capitol in the middle ages. If what he says stands up to professional scrutiny then it is indeed a pyramid of sorts.

It seems like they are doing quite a bit of backtracking from their original claims and the reconstructions of the Bosnian pyramids showing them being stepped pyramids similar to the Pyramid of the Sun in Mexico. I guess they will have to remove all of these recostructions from their web pages showing Mexican pyramid-like reconstructions. This is exactly the backtracking, which some, but not all, of the alternative archaeologist have done with Yonaguni in Japan. It sounds like they are doing nothing more but rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

However, calling a hill a "pyramid" simply because it has modified in some manner by man, to me, shows a fundamental diregard of how the term is defined. For example, there are many mountains in Kentucky, which have been modified by strip mining and mined land reclamation, but that does not make them pyramids. Fresh Kill Landfill in New York City is a man-made mountian, however, that fails miserably to make it a pyramid.

An article about Fresh Kill is "Fresh Kill...Park?" at:
http://www.gothamist.com/archives/2003/ ... llpark.php
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresh_Kills_Landfill .

By the way:

Compare the pictures at:

http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/gallery/ ... G_0508.jpg
http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/gallery/ ... 139234.jpg and
http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/gallery/ ... 28moon.JPG

with the pictures at

http://www.tonyhowell.co.uk/kilve,steps.htm ,
http://www.tonyhowell.co.uk/new/4048kilve.htm ,
http://www.tonyhowell.co.uk/new/4046kilve.htm , and
http://www.tonyhowell.co.uk/new/kilve.htm

Also, compare the picture at:

http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/gallery/ ... 060pi5.jpg

With the picture at

http://www.glass-fusion.co.uk/kilve-beach.jpg .

This picture is from http://www.glass-fusion.co.uk/CSGKilve.html .

Yours,

Paul

Paul you still mixing "apples and pears" in your examples. Did you ever hear about Dinaric Karst or Dinaric Alpine?

http://disc.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/geomorpho ... KL-5.shtml

Also you can see many pictures on my previous post from that region.
Second people from this region have a long tradition of using limestone as building material

[eratoh]

it was the bulgars!

Bulgarsky people esteemed mountains: made on them the prayers to Supreme God Tangre (Tengre) , and also created their imitations of a pyramid (earthen barrows, stone, brick, etc.) , In which did special caves for burial of heroes and leaders.

Simple people buried in catacombs the caves which have been dug out in a lateral wall of a sepulchral hole. Above such tombs put stone or wooden monuments symbols of mountain (sometimes instead of a wooden monument put a tree) .

The Most sacred numbers bulgar steel 3 and 7, therefore pyramids for burial did heroes (mausoleums) three-tier, and pyramids in honour of spirits and the God seven-story more often.

Already 11-15 thousand years back some groups bulgar for the different reasons began to leave Idel (Volgo-Urals Mountains) , carrying away for themselves other tribes Idelja. For bulgarskih letopistsev the Middle Ages all tribes Idelja were bulgarami, and they did not divide them on language or other individual attributes.

The first immigrant became a tribe arkeshe (argipei the Greek sources) which especially worshipped to spirit of a rain, a thunder and a lightning and consequently referred to also as names of this spirit: Samaras-Seber, Deber (from here the Tauri, Tauris) , Atrjach (from here Troy) . Not later than 10 thousand up to n.e. One part deberov has left from Idelja to Ukraine, where long time existed under a name of Tauris (especially in Crimea) , and other part to the Near East where has formed power of Samaras (Sumer) , included originally territories of Northern Egypt, Entre Rios, Syria, Palestin, Asia Minor, Balkan peninsula, the Western Iran, Transcaucasia. Debery pure people liked to name themselves arkeshe (in sense pure bulgary) , why there was a Greek name ancient bulgar argipei .

On boundary IV-III one thousand up to n.e. Samaras has broken up on 1) the Egyptian empire (Mamil) ; 2) Kresh Kritskoe bulgarskoe an empire under which authority there were Balkans, Chyprus (Kubar) , Asia Minor (Atrjach, Troy) and Balistan (Palestin, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan) ; 3) Suvar bulgarskoe an empire to the Entre Rios which has kept the name of Samaras Sumer; 4) Midan (the Western Iran) ; 5) Kafkash (Caucasus) .

Catastrophic flooding (bible Flood) has ruined bulgarskuju imperial dynasty Suvara (late Sumer) together with a significant part bulgarskogo the population and has allowed subject bulgaram drevnearabskim to tribes sarkanov (on-bulgarski sarkan meant a barchan , the inhabitant of desert) to subordinate in 24 century up to n.e. Akkad, Tangra-Kapa (Babylon) and others bulgarskie cities of Entre Rios.

Not later than III thousand up to n.e. On the south the second wave bulgarskih immigrants from Idelja bilsaga or bishatar (five sorts on-bulgarski) has moved . One part bilsaga has lodged in Ukraine (where neighbours named bishatarov bastarnami) , another on the Balkans (where has obeyed Kritskomu to an empire and later the third became known under a name pelasgov) , on Caucasus (where neighbours named it kutii , gutii , utii , albany , hetty, and the fourth in Central Asia (under a name sakov, massagetov and kushan) . Central Asian balsaga have passed then through Afghanistan and Pakistan to India and have won it (bilsaga have remained in memory indijtsev under a name of five brothers Pandavov) . Caucasian bilsaga on boundary III-II one thousand up to n.e. Have grasped the most part of Asia Minor and the empire, and nearby 2200 up to n.e have based here Hettskoe. Attacked suvar- and for some time have returned it under authority bulgar. But then sarkanskie dynasties (akkadtsev, vavilonjan, assyrians) have again taken hold suvar- though continued to develop bulgaro-shumerskuu culture. Balkan bilsaga-pelasgi have based Makan (Mycenae) , Bilsaga (the latest Pliska) and other cities.

[stan]

Eratoh, where did you get the quote about the Bulgars?

I agree with Paul that, in the light of the more objective views of Barakat and Haddidi, Os will probably have to eat part of his famous hat...or maybe he already has, since he isn't wearing it at the press conference!

Whatever eventually happens, there will be a lot of proud Bosnians who will say, "Wow, this was fun!" And they will probably be happy having their ancient and medieval history brought to world attention, and laugh at all the controversy.

Another thing to consider about Os is that maybe he really did or does believe in Atlantis, Extra-terrestrials, healtful influence of pyramidal shapes, and so on. In that case, maybe he isn't a fraud, but an honest
enthusiast.

I used to work at a college where I was in charge of loaning out video cameras. WE hosted a big conerence of new age healers one summer.
They at first complained that the video cameras didn't work...but then decided that it was impossible to record their activities because of the energy fields they were generating by chanting , meditating, and
using crystals.

[eratoh]

thats from historyaid aka "andy campman". i'm pretty sure thats not his real name. he is a hugely prolific russian? fellow who seems to be trying to translate a library unless he's just an endless fountain of ... stuff

bulgars start here
http://historyaid.com/2005/07/32/the-mo ... a-trident/