Holocaust in America?

[Rokcet Scientist]

Well, here's some background then, Mini:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_DNA

http://www.dnatestingcentre.com/Mitochondrial.htm

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/mtDNA.html

[Kemet]

Wow I am amazed at the discounting of evidence of tobacco & Cocaine in mummies in Egypt. A statue of Central American symbols found in a tomb in Egypt. The evidence of many many likeness of the statues of the indigenous population while looking at the hairstyles and helmets of the giant heads that can be traced to the modern country of Ghana and Stories of the voyage.

“The Indians of this Espanola said there had come to Espanola a black people who have the tops of their spears made of a metal which they called gua-nin, of which he [Columbus] had sent samples to the Sovereigns to have them assayed, when it was found that of 32 parts, 18 were of gold, 6 of silver and 8 of copper. The origin of the word guanin may be tracked down in the Mande languages of West Africa, through Mandigo, Kabunga, Toronka, Kankanka, Banbara, Mande and Vei. In Vei, we have the form of the word ka-ni which, transliterated into native phonetics, would give us gua-nin.”

Bambara werewolf cult whose head is known as amantigi (heads of faith) appeared in Mexican rituals as amanteca. The ceremonies accompanying these rituals are too identical to have been independently evolved among peoples who have had no previous encounter. Talking devil is called Hore in Mandigo, and Haure in Carib. In the American language of Nahuatl a waistcloth is called maxtli, in Malinke it's masiti. The female loincloth is nagua in Mexico, it is nagba in Mande.

The Griots - traditional historians and masters of orature - 'Oral Literature' in Mali, have stories about their King, Abubakari the second, grandson of Sundiata, the founder of the Mali Empire, who set out on a great expedition of large boats in 1311. None of the boats returned to Mali, but curiously around this time evidence of contact between West Africans and Mexicans appear in strata in America in an overwhelming combination of artifacts and cultural parallels.

Banana, yam, beans and gourd are Old World plants that predates Columbus in the Americas. How did they get there? While the last [gourd] could have been transported by the ocean currents, the first three cannot survive such prolonged exposure. “The African word for banana runs right through these American languages.”

All of this to say there was a influence of Africans on the Americas.

[Frank Harrist]

Wow I am amazed at the discounting of evidence of tobacco & Cocaine in mummies in Egypt. A statue of Central American symbols found in a tomb in Egypt. The evidence of many many likeness of the statues of the indigenous population while looking at the hairstyles and helmets of the giant heads that can be traced to the modern country of Ghana and Stories of the voyage.

“The Indians of this Espanola said there had come to Espanola a black people who have the tops of their spears made of a metal which they called gua-nin, of which he [Columbus] had sent samples to the Sovereigns to have them assayed, when it was found that of 32 parts, 18 were of gold, 6 of silver and 8 of copper. The origin of the word guanin may be tracked down in the Mande languages of West Africa, through Mandigo, Kabunga, Toronka, Kankanka, Banbara, Mande and Vei. In Vei, we have the form of the word ka-ni which, transliterated into native phonetics, would give us gua-nin.”

Bambara werewolf cult whose head is known as amantigi (heads of faith) appeared in Mexican rituals as amanteca. The ceremonies accompanying these rituals are too identical to have been independently evolved among peoples who have had no previous encounter. Talking devil is called Hore in Mandigo, and Haure in Carib. In the American language of Nahuatl a waistcloth is called maxtli, in Malinke it's masiti. The female loincloth is nagua in Mexico, it is nagba in Mande.

The Griots - traditional historians and masters of orature - 'Oral Literature' in Mali, have stories about their King, Abubakari the second, grandson of Sundiata, the founder of the Mali Empire, who set out on a great expedition of large boats in 1311. None of the boats returned to Mali, but curiously around this time evidence of contact between West Africans and Mexicans appear in strata in America in an overwhelming combination of artifacts and cultural parallels.

Banana, yam, beans and gourd are Old World plants that predates Columbus in the Americas. How did they get there? While the last [gourd] could have been transported by the ocean currents, the first three cannot survive such prolonged exposure. “The African word for banana runs right through these American languages.”

All of this to say there was a influence of Africans on the Americas.

Wow! I didn't even know about all that. I'm glad you joined our discussion, Kemet. I have always held to the belief that people have been coming here for many many years before Columbus. There are just too many things like you mentioned for it not to be so.

[Rokcet Scientist]

Very interesting, Kemet. Thanks for your insight.
OK, let's see if our fellow archeology enthusiasts now suddenly see other pieces of the puzzle that seem to fit with that background. Let's see if we can fill in some more gaps in order to create a grand picture that could be tested.

[Frank Harrist]

Just as a side-note and another angle to consider. Did anybody else know that the people who were living on Easter Island when the first Dutch ship landed there were red-haired and had beards? Where the hell did they come from?

[Rokcet Scientist]

Links, Frank?

[Guest]

No links. I saw it on the History Channel or something. Google it.

[Leona Conner]

Hey guys. I just want to thank all of you (or ya'll as they say here) for all the wonderful information you post. With my schedule, I barely have time to read everything and follow up on all the links, never mind trying to find anything informative to say. Is it Confucius that said, "it is better to keep your mouth shut and appear ignorant, than to open it and remove all doubt."?

This subject on the earliest settlers to come to this side of the pond has always been on the top of my interest list. So keep up the good research. At least now I know that I'm not the only one who thinks that people have been here longer than is currently believed. When I first mentioned it, many years ago, people thought I was a little on the eccentric side, I am but we won't go into that.

[Frank Harrist]

Links, Frank?

I did some searching and I couldn't find anything online which said specifically that they had red hair and beards, but I did find that there were two distinct types of people living there. They were "long-eared' and "short-eared". I have never heard ears used to classify any gfroup of people before. Anyway it seems that the long ears were the ruling class and the short ears were the workers and at some point the short ears killed off the long ears. I did read something about the people being tall and having lighter hair than most polynesians. I'll keep looking. Ya'll help me search this if you have time. I'm doing it while I'm suppose to be working.

[Minimalist]

Is it Confucius that said, "it is better to keep your mouth shut and appear ignorant, than to open it and remove all doubt."?

No, Leona. I think that was George W. Bush.


Unfortunately, he does not follow his own advice.

[Leona Conner]

Sorry. I must have had an "old-timers" moment there. Completely forgot myself.

[Frank Harrist]

Walter Neves is again claiming that the human remains from Lagoa Santa, Brazil represent a different population than the one that founded the majority of modern Native Americans. He suggested they are more closely related to Australian aborigines, Melenisians or Sub-Saharran Africans. This really is not a new claim by him and is based largely on skull shapes and other cranometric traits. It would be far more interesting if he attempted to extract DNA from the remains to support the cranometric claims.

Articles about the Lagoa Santa materials are at:
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/sc ... icans.html
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... andHealth/
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&c ... igrationta

[Frank Harrist]

There has been a new study of early bottle gourd remains from the New World. It had been presumed they had floated to the New World from Africa and became established as a wild population before people started using them. Genetic materials were extracted from the early bottle gourd remains from the New World and found to match DNA from Asian specimens, not African ones. This suggests that the bottle gourd was carried to the New World by some of the earliest migrants to the region from Asia.

An article about the study is at:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 121305.php

The actual professional article about the study is available in .pdf format at:
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/0509279 ... lcode=pnas

[Minimalist]

I have to find a way to save this thread. I'm travelling and this lousy lap top is too slow to actually read all these great links you guys are posting. keep up the good work. I'll catch up with you next week.

[Rokcet Scientist]

[quote="Minimalist"]I have to find a way to save this thread. I'm travelling[/quote]

Print to PDF?

[quote="Minimalist"] [...] and this lousy lap top is too slow to actually read all these great links you guys are posting. keep up the good work. I'll catch up with you next week.[/quote]

Well... better a lousy laptop than no laptop at all:
http://media.putfile.com/2094

Have fun, wherever you're going.