Before couple of days I have received information about translation of Rosetta Stone.The info say that the grey granite stone have been asumed that have been with writing on it in two languages, Egyptian and Greek, using three scripts, Hieroglyphic, Demotic Egyptian and Koine.
Info says that two scientist have worked several years on the middle script and they have found that middle script is in fact original informathion and the other two are in fact descriptional writings of the original.
They claim that they have found gramatical rules and total of 33 signs.What is more they have depicted even wordings wich have close conemporary conections with one live language and that is not local language used in Egypt then or now.
Two scientist have high academical ranks and they will officialy promote their findings and book on this thematic on 29 06 2006 in one European science academy.
Did have someone info relating middle script on Rosetta stone?
Rosetta stone...again?
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I dont know what you cant understand?This is Rosetta stone :
http://www.thebritishmuseum.ac.uk/compa ... on=summary
You can see three scripts,middle one have been asumed that is Egyptian language with demotic script,
Two scientist are claiming that it is not Egyptian language with demotic script but totaly different language and script wich have close corelation
with one European contemporary language.They have claimed that this script is in fact base for Latin script and have simmilar signs with Eturscan script.They have discovered total of 33 signs and related sounds.
Their finding is putting in question a lot .They have pointed out that middle script is basic and other two are loose translation of the base script.
It have been asumed up till now that middle script have been depicted from warious scientist starting from Thomas Young.In the light of their findings there are questions for difference in the first and third scripts
wich can be explained trought middle script.This probably will make difference for all translations of the hieroglyphic texts today in more precise manner.
I hope that I will have all the details for couple of days.
http://www.thebritishmuseum.ac.uk/compa ... on=summary
You can see three scripts,middle one have been asumed that is Egyptian language with demotic script,
Two scientist are claiming that it is not Egyptian language with demotic script but totaly different language and script wich have close corelation
with one European contemporary language.They have claimed that this script is in fact base for Latin script and have simmilar signs with Eturscan script.They have discovered total of 33 signs and related sounds.
Their finding is putting in question a lot .They have pointed out that middle script is basic and other two are loose translation of the base script.
It have been asumed up till now that middle script have been depicted from warious scientist starting from Thomas Young.In the light of their findings there are questions for difference in the first and third scripts
wich can be explained trought middle script.This probably will make difference for all translations of the hieroglyphic texts today in more precise manner.
I hope that I will have all the details for couple of days.
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I suppose what he is saying is, can you provide a link to what these two scientists are claiming?
Just for the hell of it I tried a search on google for anything on the Rosetta stone and found nothing new. As far as google is concerned, Champollion is still the be-all and end-all about deciphering hieroglphs.
Just for the hell of it I tried a search on google for anything on the Rosetta stone and found nothing new. As far as google is concerned, Champollion is still the be-all and end-all about deciphering hieroglphs.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
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-- George Carlin
Champollion have translated hieroglyphic text( first script) using Koine script (third script) asuming that three of the scripts are identical.So ...base translation have been between hieroglyphic and koine text assumed that they are identical.This is hell of the info and I am waiting for their public announcment whitch have been
sheduled for 29 of June with their book on the subject.
I am not aware of anything on the net exept information from
University of Chicago for identified letters mostly from names.
http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/DEPT/PUB/SRC/CDD/CDD.html
sheduled for 29 of June with their book on the subject.
I am not aware of anything on the net exept information from
University of Chicago for identified letters mostly from names.
http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/DEPT/PUB/SRC/CDD/CDD.html
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This could be really big if these guys are for real and know what they're talking about. Sounds like it could change some of what we think we know about heiroglyphs. Some of the stuff that has been translated could be wrong, not just on the stone, but all over egypt. It could make some of the gibberish which thus far hasn't been translated make sense. It could change some of what has been translated. It could also tell us something about language origins if it's based on latin. Folks, this could be a very big deal!
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This is official publication
"Contributions
XXVI 2
MASA - Macedonian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Academician Tome Boševski
PhD Aristotel Tentov "
Second Text of the Rosetta Stone Deciphered
The second text of the Rosetta Stone is written in the script and language of the then-masters of Egypt – the Ancient Macedonians.
The results of the research from the project "Decyphering the second text of the Rosetta Stone" were presented in the Macedonian Academy of Arts and Sciences (MANU) http://www.manu.edu.mk/ Thursday.
Academic Tome Boshevski and prof. Aristotel Tentov conducted the project was conducted under MANU auspices.
The Rosseta Stone, the researchers stressed, was discovered in 1799 in Egypt. Made of granite, 1.44 m tall, 0.72 m wide and weighting 762 kg. Text's contents is a decree by Ptolemy V Epiphanes written in three scripts: hierogliphic, "demotic" and ancient Greek in the year 196 before Christ. Currently the stone is stored in the British Museum in London.
"Contemporary science has mainly adopted the stance that there are no traces remaining from the script and the language of the Ancient Macedonians," Boshevski said. "Thus, the Rossetta Stone is considered as written with three scripts in two languages, in the following order: Hieroglyphic in Ancient Egyptian, Demotic in Ancient Egyptian, and Ancient Greek in Ancient Greek [Ionian]. Our starting premise was that it is unlikely that there's not a single complete sentance in the language and the script of the Ancient Macedonians preserved. Based on this, we hypothesized that the text on the Rosetta Stone is written in three languages, in the following order: Hieroglyphic in Ancient Egyptian, with a syllabic alphabet in Ancient Macedonian, and with a phoenetic alphabet in Ancient Greek."
The researchers came to these conclusions by comparing the basic characteristics of the writing in that period. The texts of the time did not contain interpunction characters in the contemporary sense, the alphabets consisted of capital letters only, and all was written in an unbroken series without spaces between words. The texts on the stone have the following characteristics, as indicated by the researchers: the Hieroglyphic and the "demotic" text are written from right to left, while the Ancient Greek text is written from left to right. They also indicated the following characteristics of the second text: it is written in with dominantly syllabic alphabet with very few pictographic characters, the syllables exclusively consist of consonant-vowel pairs, there are also characters for writing isolated consonants and vowels, and besides the standard writing order of syllables one next to the other, they could be written one above the other, too. Exceptions in the text are the names of two gods, which were written as they were pronouncend in Ancient Egyptian language.
At the end, by way of conclusion, the authors stressed that the script of the second text of the Rosetta Stone is syllabic with syllables consisting of consonants and vowels, besides the consonants there are letters for vowels – with 25 consonants and 8 vowels identified. Almost half (12) of the consonants form syllables with all of the 8 vowels, while the rest with 4-5 vowels only. They also identified four pictographic characters, and use of ligatures to cover the frequent use of the article "of". Using the defined reading and sounding rules the researchers identified over 160 words. From all this they conclude that the second text is definitly written in the script and the language of the then-masters of Egypt, the Ancient Macedonians.
"Contributions
XXVI 2
MASA - Macedonian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Academician Tome Boševski
PhD Aristotel Tentov "
Second Text of the Rosetta Stone Deciphered
The second text of the Rosetta Stone is written in the script and language of the then-masters of Egypt – the Ancient Macedonians.
The results of the research from the project "Decyphering the second text of the Rosetta Stone" were presented in the Macedonian Academy of Arts and Sciences (MANU) http://www.manu.edu.mk/ Thursday.
Academic Tome Boshevski and prof. Aristotel Tentov conducted the project was conducted under MANU auspices.
The Rosseta Stone, the researchers stressed, was discovered in 1799 in Egypt. Made of granite, 1.44 m tall, 0.72 m wide and weighting 762 kg. Text's contents is a decree by Ptolemy V Epiphanes written in three scripts: hierogliphic, "demotic" and ancient Greek in the year 196 before Christ. Currently the stone is stored in the British Museum in London.
"Contemporary science has mainly adopted the stance that there are no traces remaining from the script and the language of the Ancient Macedonians," Boshevski said. "Thus, the Rossetta Stone is considered as written with three scripts in two languages, in the following order: Hieroglyphic in Ancient Egyptian, Demotic in Ancient Egyptian, and Ancient Greek in Ancient Greek [Ionian]. Our starting premise was that it is unlikely that there's not a single complete sentance in the language and the script of the Ancient Macedonians preserved. Based on this, we hypothesized that the text on the Rosetta Stone is written in three languages, in the following order: Hieroglyphic in Ancient Egyptian, with a syllabic alphabet in Ancient Macedonian, and with a phoenetic alphabet in Ancient Greek."
The researchers came to these conclusions by comparing the basic characteristics of the writing in that period. The texts of the time did not contain interpunction characters in the contemporary sense, the alphabets consisted of capital letters only, and all was written in an unbroken series without spaces between words. The texts on the stone have the following characteristics, as indicated by the researchers: the Hieroglyphic and the "demotic" text are written from right to left, while the Ancient Greek text is written from left to right. They also indicated the following characteristics of the second text: it is written in with dominantly syllabic alphabet with very few pictographic characters, the syllables exclusively consist of consonant-vowel pairs, there are also characters for writing isolated consonants and vowels, and besides the standard writing order of syllables one next to the other, they could be written one above the other, too. Exceptions in the text are the names of two gods, which were written as they were pronouncend in Ancient Egyptian language.
At the end, by way of conclusion, the authors stressed that the script of the second text of the Rosetta Stone is syllabic with syllables consisting of consonants and vowels, besides the consonants there are letters for vowels – with 25 consonants and 8 vowels identified. Almost half (12) of the consonants form syllables with all of the 8 vowels, while the rest with 4-5 vowels only. They also identified four pictographic characters, and use of ligatures to cover the frequent use of the article "of". Using the defined reading and sounding rules the researchers identified over 160 words. From all this they conclude that the second text is definitly written in the script and the language of the then-masters of Egypt, the Ancient Macedonians.
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I thought the 'ancient Macedonians' were Greek.... it was the Greeks who considered them barbarians until the Batle of Chaeronea.
It would be odd if Alexander spent his whole life advancing Hellenistic culture without also pushing the language.
I imagine there will be a spirited reaction from the rest of the scholarly community.
It would be odd if Alexander spent his whole life advancing Hellenistic culture without also pushing the language.
I imagine there will be a spirited reaction from the rest of the scholarly community.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
-- George Carlin
-- George Carlin