Noah's Flood...

[Minimalist]

It's good to have a hobby, Frank.

[Frank Harrist]

It's good to have a hobby, Frank.

You would know. Right?

[Minimalist]

Right.

[Leona Conner]

Welll guys, get ready for another round of objective thinking. According to Good Morning America today, some archeologists fromthe Bible Archaeology Search and Exploration (B.A.S.E) Institute, a Christian archeology organization dedicated to looking for biblical artifacts, has found THE Noah's Ark.

The good part is that they found it in Iran's Elburz mountain range. Considering that Iran was once Persia, the Epic of Gilgamesh comes to mind, especially since so many of us feel that is the source of the Noah's Ark story.

[quote]The B.A.S.E. Institute's samples are being examined at labs in Texas and Florida. B.A.S.E officials concede that there would be no way to conclusively prove that their finding is actually Noah's Ark. [/quote]

Of course since they are all "non-believers" in dating artifacts, how much you wanna bet they don't find anything they don't want to find.

Arch should love this quote .

[quote]"There's this idea, if we can prove that the ark existed then we can prove that the story existed, and more importantly, we can prove that God existed," said Bruce Feiler, author of "Where God Was Born." [/quote]

[Minimalist]

The good part is that they found it in Iran's Elburz mountain range

No good....the bible says Mt. Ararat and that means Ararat and not some shithole in Iran.


(Figured I'd save arch the trouble.... )

[Minimalist]

I went to their web site and what a surprise....

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Like all bible-thumpers they have their hand out for the gullible to send money!

"Lordy, Lordy.....just give us a few more dollars and we will prove the Truth of the Word.....Say Hallelujah....Say Amen......Say Ka-ching!"

Phonies.

[tj]

Gee. I guess there must have been two of them! No wonder there are two different accounts in the buybull. It really happened twice!


"This is my brother Noah and my other brother.. Noah."

[Minimalist]

http://skepdic.com/noahsark.html


It doesn't seem to be going over well.

But let's grant that Noah was able to collect all the birds and mammals, reptiles, and amphibians, and a couple of million insects that he is said to have gathered together on his boat. There is still the problem of keeping the animals from eating one another. Or, are we to believe that the lion was lying down with the lamb on the ark? Did the carnivores become vegetarians for the duration of the flood? How did he keep the birds from eating the insects? Perhaps the ark was stocked with foods for all the animals. After all, if Noah could engineer the building of a boat which could hold all those animals, it would have been a small feat to add room to store enough food to last for more than six months. Of course, Noah would have to store enough food for himself and his family, too. But these would have been minor details to such a man with such a plan guided by God.

Still, it seems difficult to imagine how such a small crew could feed all these animals in a single day. There is just Noah, his wife, their three sons and three daughters-in-law. The "daily" rounds would take years, it seems. Delicacy forbids me from mentioning the problems of the "clean-up" detail, but I would have to say that if the noise of all those animals didn't drive Noah insane (not to mention the insect bites), the smell should have killed him. At least they didn't have to worry about water to drink. God provided water in abundance.

[Beagle]

Don't know why I even looked in here BUT.....the bible says mountains (plural) of Ararat. And it's a shame Noah didn't have another son. Somebody needs to let the orientals know that they don't exist.

[Guest]

nice of you all to keep thinking of me but actually the scripture says--- 'in the mountains of ararat' not ararat itself.

also since we really do not know if the modern ararat is the same as the ancient one, the ark could be anywhere.

as to leona's asertion that the gilgamesh came first, that is highly unlikely. since the gilgamesh record is not divine, there would be no need to preserve the ark nor have one in existence.

There's this idea, if we can prove that the ark existed then we can prove that the story existed, and more importantly, we can prove that God existed," said Bruce Feiler, author of "Where God Was Born.

i would like a link to their website if anyone has it or to the story itself. these words are a bit disconcerting.

Like all bible-thumpers they have their hand out for the gullible to send money!

while that doesn't undermine their credibility it is a fact of life that christians abuse that tax loophole. a sad one but it is a fact.

[Minimalist]

since the gilgamesh record is not divine

Neither is fucking Noah!

[Leona Conner]

[quote]i would like a link to their website if anyone has it or to the story itself. these words are a bit disconcerting. [/quote]

You can find the article on the Good Morning America site: abcnews.go.com/GMA

They did not say if any of the test that are being performed are carbon dating. So far they are not even sure what kind of wood they found.

[Minimalist]

Odds are, if they are testing wood they are wasting everyone's time.

http://forestpathology.coafes.umn.edu/p ... tteabc.pdf

Wood buried in terrestrial sites or exposed to the environment is rapidly degraded by microorganisms. In addition to decay by fungi and bacteria, nonbiological processes also deteriorate wood. Archaeological wood that survives for long periods is found in environments that protect it from decomposition.Although decay processes are restricted, these woods are rarely free from attack. This paper reviews the types of deterioration associated with historic and archaeological woods from a number of terrestrial sites including Anasazi great houses approximately 1000 years old in New Mexico, USA; ancient Egyptian tombs; an 8thcentury, B.C., tomb found in Tumulus MM (Midas Mound), at Gordion, Turkey; and historic wood from huts built on Ross Island, Antarctica, andEllesmere Island in the Canadian High Arctic between 1881 to 1911 by the early explorers of the North and South Polar regions. Soft-rot fungi were the major cause of wood decay in all of the woods examined. These fungi tolerated adverse environmental and substrate conditions and were able to cause extensive decay inmany of the woods examined. Decay by brown-rot fungi was also found and wasoften associated with termite or other insect damage. In addition to microbial decay, a chemical defibration of wood was found associated with high salt concentrations. This type of attack occurred in woods from the Antarctic, Anasazi
great houses, and ancient Egyptian tombs, and is more prevalent and damaging than was previously realized. Wood and other organic matter will deteriorate over time from microbial decay and nonbiological degradation processes when exposed to the environment.In most temperate and tropical areas, wood decomposes rapidly, leaving little to no evidence of the original substrate. In some environments, however, wood is protected from biological and chemical attack and may remain relatively unaltered. But even in the most extreme environments where microbial growth is restrictedand nonbiological deterioration processes are limited, wood can deteriorate. Overlong periods, microbes that are able to grow in adverse conditions degrade the wood, and various compounds, such as salts, cause a slow chemical deterioration. Most, if not all, historic and archaeological woods have been affected to somedegree by degradation. Archaeological woods that survive the many forms of biological and chemical deterioration are extremely valuable resources since they can provide important information about past cultures. These woods can also be used to obtain accurate dating of materials from a site by dendrochronology observations (Schweingruber, 1993), determine where objects have originated by tree species identification (Tennessen et al., 2002) and provide information on past environments by examining chemical and biological signatures that have been left in the wood (Blanchette, 2000; Blanchette et al., 1994; Filley et al., 2001). Most archaeological woods are found buried in saturated soils or peat bogs in a waterlogged condition. The major factor responsible for protecting the wood from decay in these environments is reduced oxygen concentrations (Blanchette, 2000). Oxygen is needed for aerobic microbes to grow and limited oxygen concentrations impede microbial colonization and decay. It is very rare, however, for oxygen to be completely excluded in these environments and for wood to be completely free from attack. Many investigations have demonstrated that differenttypes of degradation and varied microbial successions occur in wood when it is buried and waterlogged (Bjordal et al., 1999; Blanchette et al., 1990; Singh et al., 1990). Archaeological wood may also be found in other terrestrial environmentsthat are not waterlogged. In these situations, extremely dry environments, cold temperatures, or other types of adverse conditions have limited the rate and extent of wood deterioration taking place. Currently there is little information available on the microorganisms or degradation processes occurring in these situations. Thispaper provides an assessment of the types of deterioration that have been found in historic and archaeological woods from several different terrestrial
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[Guest]

You can find the article on the Good Morning America site: abcnews.go.com/GMA

thank you and it was an interesting article though i would love to see the pictures they took.

Neither is fucking Noah!

noah didn't write the book of genesis. God did.

They did not say if any of the test that are being performed are carbon dating. So far they are not even sure what kind of wood they found

i didn't see where it said how much of the boat was found or intact. i tried their website but got an error when accessing a story. i certainly would like to find out more about this. though statements such as:

There's this idea, if we can prove that the ark existed then we can prove that the story existed, and more importantly, we can prove that God existed," said Bruce Feiler, author of "Where God Was Born."

makes one cringe and want to slap them up the side of the head

[Minimalist]

noah didn't write the book of genesis. God did.

No he didn't.