Bosnian pyramids, Part II, no photos please!

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stellarchaser
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Re: Lies and Pictures

Post by stellarchaser »

FreeThinker wrote:Two quick points:

1) It is very rude to call people liars in a debate. This has been done many times by one person in this thread. You know who you are. Please stop it. It adds nothing to the debate.

2) Michelle asked us not to post pictures in this thread. It is rude to ignore her request on this point. She has been kind enough to spend her time for the benifit of us all here. Please, let us respect her request on that point.

Thanks.
And you call this debate? All of you can post various nasty posts, just go through thread and see some names Osmanagich got here. But when it comes to you, you want political correctness.

Sorry, that person explicitly lied about me working for Osmanagich. And that person wasn't politicly correct saying : "we think" or "we suspect". So I'm not correct too.

I had it enough here. Keep your double standards for yourself.
I have planty work to do of my own.

Warmest greetings to all civilized and correct people I met here.
Frank Harrist

Post by Frank Harrist »

I want to hear one of ya'll Bosnian dudes say "moose and squirrel".

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EnOZ

Post by EnOZ »

stellarchaser wrote:
EnOZ wrote:
stellarchaser wrote: Of course, I'm not saying that he's right there, but he's not scientist, so he can have his dreams, as any other free person. And because he's not scientist, he has nothing with the excavations; he's working in the Foundation (for free) to secure that excavations will continue as long it takes.

And he's doing it successfully.

You may think he's a mad man with wild dreams, but he's making his dreams come true.

And as I said, when all finishes, we'll see who lied what and when. I would rather carry your funny hats, rather than be nasty lier and cheater, who is misusing his position.
stellarchaser,

Stop defending him (Osmanagic). We know that you are working for him, but….He might be a dreamer; however we don’t have to dream his dreams (nightmares). I’ve followed this topic with interest for some time. When I first read that pyramids had been discovered in Bosnia I was very excited because I was born and lived there. After reading his books I found a lot of Semir’s ideas and theories very weird and not scientifically proved. I don’t know how you can defend him….He’s behind this project and he should be replaced with someone more competent. And they should start digging for something else, not pyramids and do it systematically. 
Stop defending him (Osmanagic).

I will defend whoever I want.


We know that you are working for him,


Don't lie. I don't work for Osmanagich, and I never met Osmanagich. I don't work for Foundation, and never worked. So stop spreading lies on this thread. If it's your way to have a disscussion, it's pitiful.

And by the way, who is "we"? Unless you consider yourself as Her Majesty The Queen, I pressume there's whole bunch of you that "know". So in this case, previous part address to all of you.

I'm a journalist, who accidentaly loves archeology. And I'm collecting every single word that has ever been said from all sides. I'm planning to make a documentary and to write a book about whole this affair, when whole thing is over one day. And I allready have a publisher, and I plan to make few bobs out of it.

however we don’t have to dream his dreams (nightmares).

By all means. Who's asking that? You're free person, mind your own bussiness. If you have anything smarter to do in your life, just don't do it. Do what ever you want.

After reading his books I found a lot of Semir’s ideas and theories very weird and not scientifically proved.

You're not the only one. I myself consider some of his theories weird.
As for scientifically "proved" things, you learned in school many such things. Evolution for example. Signed by real "scientists". So it's not a novelty.

I don’t know how you can defend him….

I always defend nice people.


He’s behind this project and he should be replaced with someone more competent


Address to Bosnian goverment. They are decision makers. But as far I know, they're happy with him.

And they should start digging for something else, not pyramids and do it systematically.

Again, you must address Bosnian goverment regarding this. I can't help you in this matter.
“Don't lie. I don't work for Osmanagich”

It seems that you are working for the Foundation indeed. On their website, Saša Jankoviæ, archaeologist, University of Belgrade is listed as a member of Subcommittee for archaeology whose email address is stellarchaser@hotmail.com. Well, obviously you are using stellarchaser user name on this forum. It’s highly unlikely that two people with the same user name have the same interests, in this case, archaeology. Your real name is Alex (that’s what you said), probably Aleksandar, and all Aleksandars I’ve ever known had nickname Saša. And finally, you probably live in Belgrade or at least you studied there, because you “know a lot” about Vinca culture which is not far from Belgrade as far as I know. Of course, all of these above are circumstantial evidence and don’t prove anything. I suspect a few people on this forum have a gut feeling that you are working for or are somehow associated with the Foundation, otherwise you wouldn’t defend him so vigorously.

“I never met Osmanagich.”

I believe you’ve never met him personally. However I have to ask you why you haven’t visited the site yet? You think it is a very significant archaeological site and you are very passionate about it and still you haven’t visited it. Why? I guess you can afford to buy a ticket to Visoko, it can’t be that expensive.


“And by the way, who is "we"? Unless you consider yourself as Her Majesty The Queen, I pressume there's whole bunch of you that "know". So in this case, previous part address to all of you. “

PLONK

“I'm a journalist, who accidentaly loves archeology.”
How love can be accidental???
Can you give us some links to articles you’ve written?

“And I'm collecting every single word that has ever been said from all sides. I'm planning to make a documentary and to write a book about whole this affair, when whole thing is over one day. And I allready have a publisher, and I plan to make few bobs out of it.”

There you go!! You want to make some quick bucks from this. Is that the reason you support and defend this project? At least you are honest (accidentally???) and confess that you want to make some money out of this. I have not problem with people selling s… as long as they don’t claim that they sell gold.

“You're not the only one. I myself consider some of his theories weird.
As for scientifically "proved" things, you learned in school many such things. Evolution for example. Signed by real "scientists". So it's not a novelty.”

What theories of his you consider weird??? And what theories you consider not so weird? And do you know any theory more sound then evolution? If you do, can you please point us to those theories? And your claims about age of the Earth, advanced mathematics are just ridiculous. I bet you have no idea what advanced mathematics involve.


“I always defend nice people.”
You’ve never met Osmanagic. How can you claim he is a nice person? He might well be a nice person, but it doesn’t make him qualified to write about archaeology.

“Address to Bosnian goverment. They are decision makers. But as far I know, they're happy with him.”

What the Bosnian government has to do with the Foundation? The foundation is a private organisation and government has nothing to do with that organisation. The government can provide money to the organisation if it choses to, it can stop excavation but it can’t appoint leadership of that
organisation.

Stellarchaser, don’t get me wrong, I don’t have anything against you personally. You might be a good guy, but before you claim something you have to do a little bit of research. Your claims about evolution are just ridiculous. Evolution is accepted by the large majority of scientific community and to claim that evolution is wrong you have to come up with a better theory. And by making these claims it won’t help your credibility in any serious discussion on scientific topics.

I’m sorry about this off topic rant of mine. I’ve been lurking in this forum for some time and was reluctant to post. However, some of the posters got on my nerve with their off topic postings, unsubstantiated and repeated claims.


Cheers
zagor
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Post by zagor »

EnOZ wrote:
stellarchaser wrote:
EnOZ wrote:
I agree :D

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Post by Guest »

i amnot sure how this happened but very little information is being mentioned concerning the pyramid.

has anything new been done or is it all in a holding pattern?

must we put up with these off topic posts and the continual attacking of the other person?

i certainly would like to know what is going on WITH THE PYRAMID and not who stellarchase is or who works for whom.
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Post by GG »

i really dont see how these things discovered on the moon pyramid are not human made, they obviously look so but i still think that it is some ancient roman city and not a pyramid.
CHEAH NIG
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Post by Beagle »

You may well be right. :)
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Post by zagor »

GG wrote:i really dont see how these things discovered on the moon pyramid are not human made, they obviously look so but i still think that it is some ancient roman city and not a pyramid.
del :oops:
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Post by Beagle »

zagor wrote:
GG wrote:i really dont see how these things discovered on the moon pyramid are not human made, they obviously look so but i still think that it is some ancient roman city and not a pyramid.

Don't say that. Paul H. will start again with his "101" lectures in Physical Geology about lake bedrock. :D
Paul H. has not made an unkind remark to anyone in this forum. Your post is unfair and uncalled for Zagor.
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Post by ReneDescartes »

Furthermore the lectures in geology were very much to the point and helped clarify the debate .I can obly thank him for the vast amount of time spent in educating us and anybody reading this forum.
I think therefore I am
zagor
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Post by zagor »

Beagle

If you think that was unkind remark I would like to apology to Paul and rest of you guys. Maybe I don't agree with Paul in some of his statements regarding excavation in Bosnia but I really respect him end his knowledge in Geology.

Sorry :oops:
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Post by Beagle »

This topic has been pretty highly charged from the beginning. Much worse things have been said here. It's kind of nice to have a little lull in the action.


Have you heard anything new from the dig site?
Guest

Post by Guest »

This topic has been pretty highly charged from the beginning
this is true but it must be remembered thoseof us who disagree with Os and this dig do so not to stop bornia from discovering its roots or to insult its national pride.

we are looking at this in a professional manner and solely focused on the dig, the method of the dig and the declared results of the dig. there is nothing personal about bosnia or its people being mentioned or attacked.

we feel that Os is a con artist and a flake, we do not mean that all of bosnia is that way or that they are not entitled to their moment in the sun. we want the dig to be done in a professional manner so that all information is not lost but duly credited to the time period and people the artifacts belong.

in the long run, if the dig is done properly and the artifacts and evidence uncovered is properly identified then bosnia wins no matter what. as it stands now, and os gets to continue in his lark bosnia has a good chance of ending up with egg on its face.

which is the better solution? so please continue to post information and links to pictures but do not take the criticism personally nor as an attack on bosnia in general, we are not out to hurt bosnia or its pride but would like to have the truth properly proclaimed.
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Post by alrom »

Hi you all,

Paola Castagno has translated a new text by Osmanagic that was published on www.piramidasunca.ba on July 3rd.

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/news_i ... NewsID=150 - translation in Spanish at http://paolacastagno.blogspot.com/2006/ ... mides.html

On that text, Osmanagic claims that Bosnians are not slavs but that they descend from pre-illyrian inhabitants that lived there 27.000 years ago. Instead of primitive people, they were an advanced civilization that built huge pyramids and stone spheres. People didn't migrate from western or central europe to the Balkans, it was the other way.

That's an obvious masturbatory 'racial superiority' discourse, quite common in nationalistic ideologies: Aryan superiority crap first comes to mind.

Then he goes to claim that, thanks to geophysical studies, satellite analysis and archaeological findings, it has been proved that there are 5!!!! pyramids at Visoko Valley (Sun, Moon, Dragon, Earth and Love). Once again there are claims of orientation to the cardinal points and 365m. sides length. The tunnels under Visocica Hill have been proved to be man-made, and ancient inscriptions, probably of a proto-scripture that was a precursor for every other european writing system.

All this is spiced with a couple of references to close-minded scientists and how all critics will have to shut their mouths, look at themselves at the mirror and be their own judges.
Guest

Post by Guest »

i am reading or have read someof the website linked in alrom's post and under the research section they have designed a 5 year plan. in that plan they mentin that this is a step pyramid, there isother construction on the hill (that is all they say but all discoveries are still attributed to the pyramids) and so on.

the impression i get from readingthis site is: if this is not a pyramid at all, it will be made into one after the 5 years of selective digging. Os is trying to place himself in a win-win scenario, if it is a pyramid then he wins, if it isn't, he will make it one so he wins.

i see nothing honest coming from this dig at this time
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