Noah's Flood...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:11 pm

If you take into account the true age of the earth then you'd know that it has all moved, so mountains which aren't near the sea now once were under it and they weren't mountains then

but the question remains, what is the true age of the earth? no one really knows now do we? of course not because that isn't what is important.

You know, when you insult evolutionists you are insulting me and a lot of other people

yes i know, doesn't feel good does it. you hate it when the shoe is on the other foot.

And another thing, you keep calling us "believers in evolution". It's not a religion

but you believe it right?

Lots of people are "true believers" just in case there's a god

can't argue with that, it does happen.

I was raised a Baptist and my father is a deacon so I wanted to believe in god. I tried. It's just not logical. There's no proof. It's all too tidy, too fanciful, and too mystical.

that is exactly what evolution is. at some point you have to come to the decision and take faith into account. there is more proof for the Bible than evolution.

Why do you think there are so many and not just one?

well if you read the Bible you will see that satan copies many things of God, what better way to distract or detour God's creation than by starting alternate religions which sound better than the Bible and christianity.

If there really was a god he'd show us the true religion and he'd SMITE the rest

He has and He will. 'ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free'

Post by **Minimalist** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:17 pm

You've got to stop reading that creationist horseshit, arch.

Just because those idiots say that it isn't true does not mean they are right.

Evolution makes strides every year in refining the theory while your bible slides even further into obscurity....fit only for tiny minds with no capacity for understanding.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:20 pm

Guess the "Dark Ages" do not exist in Arch's world. If he would spend some time reading real history rather than Christian propaganda, he would learn that the Dark Ages occured only in Christian countries. Maybe that was because Christianity and it's small mindedness was the prime cause.

if you look at the muslim countries now you will see that trend did not continue.

i believe the catholics were in charge at that time not the protestants so blame them not Christ.

Arch is obviously delusive and unable to reason in a scientific way .

just because you feel that someone can't talk in a scientific way does it mean they are devoid of intelligence. science is not the definitive, it is a tool that has been elevated to a pedestal that it does not belong.

He only serves asan example of how zealots are the victim of their religion

personal attacks just bring it all back to you and undermine any serious position you take.

It doesn't matter to me if every single word of the bible is true. The 'god' described therein is too damn psychotic for my tastes. I'll pass, thanks

that is your choice, but don't forget disobedience needs to be punished just like you discipline your own children when they disobey and they can say the same about you when they disgaree with your methods

Post by **Minimalist** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:25 pm

hat is your choice, but don't forget disobedience needs to be punished

Yeah but your god is so impotent that he has to hire hit men to do his dirty work. Maybe the Assyrians or Bablyonians will be reincarnated to do the job?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:42 pm

You've got to stop reading that creationist horseshit, arch.

i actually read more evolutionary based research than creationist solely for the reasons i have previously stated, creationists do not go far enough in their research nor ask the right questions nor reason things out clearly.

Evolution makes strides every year in refining the theory while your bible slides even further into obscurity

if you read the studies carefully you will find that evolutionists are going nowhere. their big problem is that they do not know and their articles are littered with words to that effect.

how you can say they are making progress is beyond me, all they are proclaiming is more theory with no hope of corroborration.

p.s.--

Just because those idiots say that it isn't true does not mean they are right.

if i was reading and believing creationist material i would be stuck on the 4004 b.c. date instead of taking the position that we do not know the true age of the earth as there are too many variables in play to lock it down.

i have read ussher's book and he admits to leaving certain factors out in his calculations and one of his weaknessess is that he thought the geneaologies were consecutive, which some are not. two leading evangelical theologians even state this fact---J.I. Packer and the late Merril C. Tenney.

so ussher's work should not be blindly accepted or adhered to.

tj · Post by tj » Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:15 pm

archaeologist wrote:
Arch is obviously delusive and unable to reason in a scientific way .
just because you feel that someone can't talk in a scientific way does it mean they are devoid of intelligence. science is not the definitive, it is a tool that has been elevated to a pedestal that it does not belong.

I agree with you in all but one case. If you can't talk or reason in a scientific way and you continually bash and degrade science without knowing anything about it, then you are devoid of intelligence. Your ignorance of science precludes you from making any intelligent and reasonable judgement about it whatsoever.

Post by **Minimalist** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:51 pm

creationists do not go far enough in their research nor ask the right questions nor reason things out clearly.

How can they? They are stuck with the bible. Without it, they have no identity.....and with it they have no chance.

Leona Conner · Post by **Leona Conner** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:59 pm

How can they? According to their bible, they cannot question it. That would be heresy.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:28 pm

If you can't talk or reason in a scientific way and you continually bash and degrade science without knowing anything about it, then you are devoid of intelligence. Your ignorance of science precludes you from making any intelligent and reasonable judgement about it whatsoever.

it is this kind of arrogant thinking that has deluded scientists for generations and has kept them from finding the truth. scientists like having their closed club that way they can remain ignorant of things that will save them work, time, and progression.

i laugh at such retarded thinking illustrated above. science is a prime example of the 'blind leading the blind' and they refuse any help to get them on the right track for they feel they can find their way yet forget that the restrictions they place on the field eliminates any possibility for them to find the truth.

Post by **Minimalist** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:02 pm

And, tj, the circle is now complete.

Having failed to understand science, he now declares that his magic is the answer.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:09 pm

How can they? According to their bible, they cannot question it. That would be heresy.

actually accordeing to the Bible we are allowed to question it and prove it, normally it is man that puts such restraint upon those who wish to do so.

again, the evidence is there, how you interpret the evidence is going to determine how you believe.

Post by **Minimalist** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:10 pm

actually accordeing to the Bible we are allowed to question it and prove it

Tell that to all the heretics who were murdered by your christian fellows.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:57 pm

Tell that to all the heretics who were murdered by your christian fellows

like i said, their interpretation dictated their beliefs and actions, what can i say? it is over and done with and not much i can do about it, so let it go and stop using it as an excuse to justify your unbelief.

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:26 am

Interesting sense of justice you have there.

The murderers did it but they got away with it so it's all good.

You excuse a lot of bloodshed by your co-religionists, that way.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:49 am

The murderers did it but they got away with it so it's all good

that is not what i said, but i also can't dig up there skeletans and kill them again. i am not responsible for their actions, so don't put it on me, they will be judged by God and they won't get away with it.

your responsibility is your own actions and words and if you let the past dictate your beliefs then you are not very smart. not everyone who says they are a christian, really are one and if you take a generalization point of view then you are the one making the mistake not me.

You excuse a lot of bloodshed by your co-religionists, that way

i don't excuse anything but get real, there are some things i can't do anything about.. besides they don't answer to me but God, kind of limits my influence a little.