Bosnian pyramids, Part II, no photos please!

[Guest]

A fact which you are equally if not more guilty of when it comes to your bible, arch.

you have two other threads in which to do that.

[alrom]

arch sometimes you need to have brain to see not just eyes

obviously you can't handle constructive criticism. instead of insulting lay out the argument for the pyramid for all i see and read is just wishful thinking and wanting to believe that Os is right.

i think in a few years when Os has made a complete fool of bosnia, he will disappear leaving the country with egg on its face. (might not even take a few years)

I think we're witnessing the stress provoked by cognitive dissonance. Their belief in the pyramid is so important for them that anything that casts a doubt on that belief is like a personal attack.

Archaeologist, don't expect rational behaviour on this subject. Yeah maybe this will end up with Os fleeing Bosnia and a bunch embarrassed people (the town next to Visoko laughing at their neighbours for decades etc. ) but it can also end up with a stripped hill being obviously a natural hill but the believers still believing in the pyramid and adapting their ideas and beliefs to the facts. We have already seen that: from step-pyramid to 'terraformed' hill. What will be next? maybe 'eroded pyramid'? maybe the guys built a pyramid but made it look like a natural hill so it could keep its secrets?

[Minimalist]

A fact which you are equally if not more guilty of when it comes to your bible, arch.

you have two other threads in which to do that.

Why shouldn't everyone else see your hypocrisy on the subject?

[f9]

"On that text, Osmanagic claims that Bosnians are not slavs but that they descend from pre-illyrian inhabitants that lived there 27.000 years ago"

He canot claim...he is just using available data from genetic research in last years which have confirmed that Dinaroid antropological type is eazy traced with the genetic mark-up,that this type is not some mutation between Atlantic and Mediteran antropological types but authonomous,that it is from second wave in proces out of Africa,that have probably lived through ice age in the Balcan area positioning mostly in the Dinarid mountains today which have resulted from southern migration of Illirians and northern migration of Slavs.

Do you have links to papers or articles to that research? When I search for 'dinarid' or 'dinaroid' I only get results for pseudoanthropometry forums, aryan superiority and Stormfront White Nationalist sites.

Of course I have,in fact there are from Semino onwards a lot of papers dealing with this.Last one have been done searching for slavic imput in all Balcan populations with probably up to date and most comprehensive
examination.Result are same and just have proven that it is about second wave from Africa.To read genetic papers have to know some things in advance,otherwise can be confusing.Papers should be readed precisely
because all that nonsence with nomenclature of genes have meaning.
This is link for latest genetic research for all Balcan populations today:
http://vetinari.sitesled.com/slavic.pdf
This is up to date information for Y-Chromosome Haplogroups wich can be helpfull in understending the meaning.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com ... arkers.htm
Whatever you dont understand just ask.

[Guest]

I think we're witnessing the stress provoked by cognitive dissonance. Their belief in the pyramid is so important for them that anything that casts a doubt on that belief is like a personal attack.

i can see that and since they have had so much war, they need something positive for a change but i think this could have been done in a better way and that Os is taking advantage of a vulnerbility.

We have already seen that: from step-pyramid to 'terraformed' hill. What will be next? maybe 'eroded pyramid'? maybe the guys built a pyramid but made it look like a natural hill so it could keep its secrets?

i have observed that as well and it smacks on saying anything to justify the action they are taking, kind of makes me feel sad for the bosnians.

Why shouldn't everyone else see your hypocrisy on the subject?

they have a word for people like you minimalist---it is called 'stalker'

[Yamemaru]

if this is a pyramid then im bruce lee.

[Minimalist]

they have a word for people like you minimalist---it is called 'stalker'

And they have a word for people like you: Phony.

[Beagle]

http://www.robertschoch.net/Bosnia%20Py ... ations.htm

From The Daily Grail. Schoch going to Bosnia. It is already causing quite a fuss. Go figure.

[Minimalist]

To try to judge based on a few photographs, a handful of satellite images, and miscellaneous statements that are often contradictory (and which have in some cases been subject to mistranslation and misunderstanding), is not my approach.

Aha! How dare he!!!

[Guest]

At this point it is premature for me to attempt an answer to this question, but I certainly have a preliminary working hypothesis

what will be done to him if he disagrees with Os and the thesis?

I cannot judge the Bosnian Pyramids without adequate data

i am betting he will take a quasi position, not confirming it is or isn't a pyramid.


f9--your links didn't work for me on this computer

[Beagle]

Not too surprisingly, there are a lot of sites on the 'net that have already decided what Schoch will say and are very unhappy about him going to Bosnia.

It seems the one person who has not decided in advance is Schoch.

[Guest]

and are very unhappy about him going to Bosnia.

i have no problem with him going, i am worried about what he will say. i don't feel that enough has been uncovered to make a proper determination in favor of a pyramid and too little has been said or credited to the known construction on the hill.

sure this hill could have been formed by man as man does terrace hillsides, that has been proven here in the orient for generations. then to limit that formation to solely a pyramid is just pure folly for there are numerous reasons why man would do just that.

gardens, play area, living space and so on. those are just a few examples of why the hill took the shape that it did. without ancient documents to cast light on this area, i doubt the legitimacy of calling it a pyramid.

this hill can be whatever an archaeologist wants to call it and Os made it public first so we may be stuck with that moniker whether it is or isn't a pyramid.

[DougWeller]

Unless Schoch comes up with some clear evidence that he can publish, not a lot of geologists or archaeologists will pay much attention. His recent books haven't impressed many people who aren't followers of people like Graham Hancock already.

And where is Barakat's report? My betting is that there never will be a report from him.

Meanwhile, see this;
This is thanks to 'stultitia'.

http://www.misteriji.si/ is a Slovenian-Croatian magazine for paranormal phenomena -- the current issue features guess what? as the energy centre of the world.

Slovenian speaking people can read it online here: http://www.misteriji.si/?content=tema_meseca

Croatian and Bosnian speaking people can read it from these links:
http://img391.imageshack.us/im.....ji15gn.jpg
http://img465.imageshack.us/im.....ji27ss.jpg
http://img391.imageshack.us/im.....ji30th.jpg
http://img465.imageshack.us/im.....ji40vz.jpg
http://img391.imageshack.us/im.....iji57om.jp

Stultitia offers a partial translation of what Osmanagic has to say
„The equilateral triangle created by connecting the summits of the pyramids reveals the mystery of the Visoko valley to us. It directs us to the energy source that will explode and flood the world. When that will happen, I don't know. This is not the moment for it yet. Half a year, two months, five years? It will certainly happen. Besides the geometry of the triangle, we also have some other geometries in the wider region…“.

„The pyramids excavations is a process with which we change concept on a global level, we change the concept of thinking, we subvert the world. It's impossible to stop this process, it will spread very fast all over the world. I started that process from the end, when we introduced the multidisciplinary approach here last year. Formally, it's an archaeological monument, but the whole happening has little in common with archaeology. Archaeology is a trade, here we have experts from all possible fields, material ones, that depend on the physical senses, but also here we have people who have developed spiritual senses. Energy in itself is neither good nor weak nor negative, the people are the ones who give it color. We here have colored it positively, from the start everything has been based od sincerity, honesty, voluntarism, good cause; not on elitistic science, but on various knowledges from various fields. Every part of the research is well measured and honest.“

„What you see is the biggest civilizational complex that has ever been built on the face of the planet. That is a shock, a shock after shock, this here is a civilizational complex, and that discovery in itself is a very important thing … There are reasons for which this was not discovered before: the first reason is that it was not yet the time for it, and the second reason is its size. When those two come together, and now it's obviously the time, the Bosnian Pyramidal Complex will be discovered and it will have great influence on the world. Before our eyes, in the following years, Bosnia will find itself in such a role that everyone will be looking at it. But this time for completely different reasons than untill now. Only positive infuences will come and hope for the whole world, not only Bosnia, which is small and insignificant on a map. Curiosity for ancient past will open up, for very ancient past; a very big thing will start to unfold …“

„We are breaking a cloud of negative energy. It has to be done before 2012, so we can receive the historical influence of the cosmic energy from the cosmic center of our galaxy. We will not allow apocalypse happening to us in a few years. We have a possibility that we can use. Or not, since we are blocked – if it should continue that way and we do not use it, we would stay blocked…“

Evidently Osmanagic says this project is not about archaeology but about preparation for some sort of cosmic beam arrival in 2012, and paranormal websites are being used to recruit volunteers.

He has tossed science aside in favor of New Age mysticism (well, to be fair, I don't think he ever cared about science, and this is in line with his 'alternative history' writings.)

[Guest]

We are breaking a cloud of negative energy. It has to be done before 2012,

is this date influenced by his mayan studies and the mayan prediction of a catastrophe in that year?

[Frank Harrist]

What a freaking lunatic!