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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:36 pm
by Guest
There were no 'israelites' until the end of the 12th century BC.
sounds like 'the club' response to me and i thought you were open minded.
You are trying to re-write history
no, i am presenting my theory of a plausible israelite sojourn in egypt for peer review. so we have heard from you, are there any others who wish to comment on what i propose?
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:58 pm
by Minimalist
The dogmatic club claims the earth was created in six days. You know the type.
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:57 am
by Starflower
archaeologist wrote:
no, i am presenting my theory of a plausible israelite sojourn in egypt for peer review. so we have heard from you, are there any others who wish to comment on what i propose?
I have discussed your theory with several people I know and our consensus is that it is at least a possibility.(Though I must say that it became quite the explosive topic here also)But unless they entered Egypt naked and empty handed then immediately dispersed into the local population there should be at least a little bit of non-Egyptian trash hanging out somewhere. At the least it is worth looking into a bit more.
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:32 am
by Minimalist
The Persians always get a bad rap in history. This shows they were builders, too.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060823/ts_ ... water_dc_3
The infrastructure of the palace was remodeled throughout the centuries to fit the needs of the Babylonians, Persians, Romans and Hasmoneans who ruled the Holy Land, said Lipschits, who heads the dig with an academic from Germany's University of Heidelberg.
But it was the Persians, who took control of the region around 539 BC from the Babylonians, who renovated the water system and turned it into a thing of beauty.
Lipschits said they added small waterfalls to try to turn a desert into a paradise.
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:50 pm
by Guest
But unless they entered Egypt naked and empty handed then immediately dispersed into the local population there should be at least a little bit of non-Egyptian trash hanging out somewhere.
that is a possibility but i doubt the amount would be very large as they were there for 400 years so what they entered with would have to be sustained by local materials and be influenced by local experts. also they were turned into slaves, so how much of their own items would they have left?
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:58 pm
by marduk
so how much of their own items would they have left?
you are equating slaves in the ancient world with slaves in the medievil period
slaves in the ancient world were valued
they were allowed to marry free citizens
they were allowed to have children with free citizens
and their children could inherit
the modern word Ward (think dick grayson) is derived from the ancient babylonian word for slave
Wardu
slaves were extremely valuable
think if you owned a ferarri Arch would you abuse it and never buy any accesories for it
would your neighbours believe that you didnt own a ferarri because you claimed to own it therefore it didnt exist
mind you most of your neighbours are korean
youd probably get locked up for owning a symbol of the capitalist free west
then you wouldn't exist
why am i suddenly smiling
hehe
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:35 pm
by Guest
The Persians always get a bad rap in history. This shows they were builders, too.
trying to change the subject? it says they modified it not built it. big difference.
which was modified by the conquering Persians
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:20 pm
by Minimalist
To install plumbing...something your precious Israelites apparently knew nothing about.
I guess god was a little weak as a plumber.
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:34 pm
by Guest
you just can't admit that i could be right or even plausible can you?
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:36 pm
by marduk
well you haven't been up to so far
i wouldnt bet on it ever changing with your intellect and ability to reason being the way it is
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:05 pm
by Minimalist
archaeologist wrote:you just can't admit that i could be right or even plausible can you?
I think you are still praying that something will save your precious bible from oblivion. You haven't got a single shred of evidence and yet you dare to call your wild speculation a "theory."
No matter how you slice it, you still overvalue the bible because you think it is the word of god.
It isn't. It was written by rather vain, petty, self-aggrandizing priests centuries after the events it depicts and for reasons which had nothing to do with 'god.' Religion is about power. Always has been, always will be.
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:10 pm
by marduk
It isn't. It was written by rather vain, petty, self-aggrandizing priests centuries after the events it depicts
that should read
It isn't. It was plaguiarised by rather vain, petty, self-aggrandizing priests centuries after the events it depicts

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:26 pm
by Guest
You haven't got a single shred of evidence and yet you dare to call your wild speculation a "theory."
since i am basing it on an ancient source, i have evidence and it is a good theory. you just won't admit it because you are comfortable with thinking there were no israelites which you can't prove .
saying there is no archaeological ecidence is just an excuse especially in light of what i propose.
No matter how you slice it, you still overvalue the bible because you think it is the word of god.
it is.
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:29 pm
by Minimalist
archaeologist wrote:You haven't got a single shred of evidence and yet you dare to call your wild speculation a "theory."
since i am basing it on an ancient source, i have evidence and it is a good theory. you just won't admit it because you are comfortable with thinking there were no israelites which you can't prove .
saying there is no archaeological ecidence is just an excuse especially in light of what i propose.
No matter how you slice it, you still overvalue the bible because you think it is the word of god.
it is.
Which is why you can not be taken seriously.
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:30 pm
by john
archaeologist wrote:You haven't got a single shred of evidence and yet you dare to call your wild speculation a "theory."
since i am basing it on an ancient source, i have evidence and it is a good theory. you just won't admit it because you are comfortable with thinking there were no israelites which you can't prove .
saying there is no archaeological ecidence is just an excuse especially in light of what i propose.
No matter how you slice it, you still overvalue the bible because you think it is the word of god.
it is.
bible was, and is, and will be forevermore written by people, not god.
unless you have the one copy of the first by god edition.
do you?
john