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Current Biblical Archaeology

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In his latest work David, Solomon, and the Western Tradition, copyright 2006, Israel Finklestein, professor of Archaeology at Tel Aviv University summarizes the latest archaeological finds by concentrating on the mythology surrounding these two ancient kings.
Archaeology is today the most important tool at our disposal for reconstructing the evolution of ancient Israelite society. Elsewhere in the ancient world, archaeological research has also transformed our vision of the past. The early history of Greece can now be told without resort to the mythic biographies of Minos, Theseus or Agamemnon as primary sources. The rise of the Egyptian and Mesopotamian civilizations can be understood through inscriptions, potsherds and settlement patterns rather than simply in tales of ancient wonders and semidivine kings. The discrepancies between art and literature, on the one hand, and documented, verifiable history and archaeological evidence, on the other, have made us see the founder myths of antiquity for what they are: shared expresions of ancient communal identity, told with great power and insight, still interesting and worthy of study, but certainly not to be taken as literal, credible records of events.

Such is the case with David and Solomon, who are depicted in the biblical narrative as founding fathers of the ancient Israelite state. Yet we can now say - as we will argue in considerable detail throughout this book - that many of the famous episodes in the biblical story of David and Solomon are fictions, historically questionable or highly exaggerated. In the following chapters we will present archaeological evidence to show that there was no united monarchy of Israel in the way that the Bible describes it. Although it seems probable that David and Solomon were actual historical characters, they were very different from their scriptual portraits. We will show that it is highly unlikely that David ever conquered territories of peoples more than a day or two's march from the heartland of Judah. We will suggest that Solomon's Jerusalem was neither extensive nor impressive, but rather the rough hilltop stronghold of a local dynasty of rustic tribal chiefs.


More to come as the evidence is discussed.
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The 'kings' David and Solomon... LOL :lol:
Talk about delusions of grandeur! While they were no more than the local tribal bullies... :lol:
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R S -- just you wait until until Arch and RK read that.
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And why would 'RK' be particularly interested? :?
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Rokcet Scientist wrote:The 'kings' David and Solomon... LOL :lol:
Talk about delusions of grandeur! While they were no more than the local tribal bullies... :lol:

Even Titus Livy, writing 700 years after the foundation of Rome, had the same problem with "scale" treating as "wars" what must have been little more than stick and rock-throwing riots between mud hut villages. There is always a tendency to want to make our ancestors more than what they were. Which, I guess, is another explanation for Creationism.

Nonetheless, from Finklestein's earlier book on the subject, he projects Jerusalem to have been a miserable little hilltop village well into the historical period with a population of less than 2,000 people.
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R S -- just you wait until until Arch and RK read that.
and why would i worry about what some unbelieving author says? i have been hearing about these opinions for over 40 years only to have them proven false over time with new discoveries.


There is always a tendency to want to make our ancestors more than what they were.
as they say--'history is in the eye of the historian' except for the Bible as its truth will always be proven right.
he projects Jerusalem to have been a miserable little hilltop village well into the historical period with a population of less than 2,000 people
'he projects' which means any honesty and credibility have been thrown out the window for a pre-determined conclusion.
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Oh, yes. Why give any credence to a guy who has painstakingly studied the earliest Israelite/Judahite villages and traced their history as uninterrupted proto-Jewish sites when instead we can read that pile of silliness which has people living 900 years, living in fish, talking to burning bushes, engaging in divine genocide, rationalising slavery but stoning to death someone who works on the sabbath.

Yes...there is just so much in the bible that lends itself to easy belief, my friend.

What utter nonsense.
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Why give any credence to a guy who has painstakingly studied the earliest Israelite/Judahite villages and traced their history as uninterrupted proto-Jewish sites
he is just one more voice in a crowded room.
there is just so much in the bible that lends itself to easy belief
no one ever said that the Bible was sesame street. you take it by faith andthen add to your faith knowledge which then helps you to understand what is being said. mindless people are just lazy even in the christian world.
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Faith is a synonym for suspension of rational thought.

Admit it....you believe in fairy tales because it is just too hard to think things true.


You must be a Republican, too.
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You must be a Republican, too.

that would be hypocritical. no i am not a republican.
Faith is a synonym for suspension of rational thought
faith sustains rational thought. you have faith in evolution so i believe that your comment would apply to your own beliefs as well.
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They have PROVEN evolution beyond a reasonable doubt in my mind.

The bible has been DISPROVEN as any sort of factual retelling of history. As far as the religious aspects of the bible are concerned, they are simply not worth considering.
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They have PROVEN evolution beyond a reasonable doubt in my mind.
well i feel sorry for you if you have been taken in hook, line and sinker.
The bible has been DISPROVEN as any sort of factual retelling of history
here you go against the archaeological and historical record then which means you go against science,
As far as the religious aspects of the bible are concerned, they are simply not worth considering.
sorry to hear that for then you are robbing yourself.
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They have PROVEN evolution beyond a reasonable doubt in my mind.
well i feel sorry for you if you have been taken in hook, line and sinker.

THIS from someone who believes in Noah's Ark!


The bible has been DISPROVEN as any sort of factual retelling of history
here you go against the archaeological and historical record then which means you go against science,

You are simply wrong. The bible, on a percentage basis, has less historical accuracy than Gone With The Wind does about the American Civil War.
As far as the religious aspects of the bible are concerned, they are simply not worth considering.
sorry to hear that for then you are robbing yourself.
At least I'm not supporting criminal, pedophile priests who prey on their flocks instead of praying with them!
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<It will yet be the proud boast of women that they never contributed a line to the bible." >
I thot the book of J was written by a woman. Not that she ever took credit for it. The message was important [which was why it was plagiarized], not the messenger.
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I doubt it....the ancient Jews were as thoroughly mysoginistic as the early christian fathers who did ruthlessly suppress the gnostic gospels which were more tolerant of women.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.

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