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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:05 am
by Starflower
archaeologist wrote:starflower-- there is a post addressed to you, if you can find it amidst the kibbetzers.
Arch--I read your post and it does make sense that there would be no record of their entry into Eqypt for the reasons you cited. Also found out that the traditional number of household members is seventy. And as they were told 'not to regard their stuff' it is possible the amount of evidence left to be found would be quite negligible.
I have pm'd you with some nonarchaeological(it's historical instead)information I was provided with on this subject.

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:11 am
by Tech
Arch your theory has already been published

http://judaism.about.com/od/torah/f/moses_proof.htm

And now its getting the hollywood treatment

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainmen ... 0883c.html

But most of all I would like to know how you could justify this

http://godisimaginary.com/i13.htm

And check out the 49 others .

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:44 am
by Minimalist
Tech wrote:Arch your theory has already been published

http://judaism.about.com/od/torah/f/moses_proof.htm


Once I was asked if I could remain a faithful and observant Jew and also accept the possibility that Moses, as described in the Torah, may be as much legend as historical - perhaps more legendary.


Not acceptible at all to the Fundy Fanatics.

And now its getting the hollywood treatment

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainmen ... 0883c.html

As soon as Arch gets the DVD of the program I suspect there will be a spirited debate about that "program."

But most of all I would like to know how you could justify this

http://godisimaginary.com/i13.htm

God likes slavery!

And check out the 49 others .
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 1:03 pm
by Guest
thanks starflower, i got and read it.
Arch your theory has already been published
i amnot sure if protestants will read that publication.
If the Hebrews lived in Goshen or thereabouts, they would have been using Egyptian materials, equipment, etc., thus it would be difficult to prove a different people lived in Egypt. Furthermore, if there were evidence, I would expect a reluctance on the part of the Egyptians to offer opportunities for Jews to look for evidence of their existence in Egypt and their successful exodus.
but it is not exactly the same as i propose. just the first sentence is what i am thinking. but thanks i can use that source.
As soon as Arch gets the DVD of the program I suspect there will be a spirited debate about that "program
we shall see,so far i am not holding too high of hopes forit based upon what i have read.

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:20 pm
by Tech
Arch , I was more interested in your reply to the slavery question which you ignored completly as I'm sure you did with the other 49 points on offer

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 4:50 pm
by Guest
I was more interested in your reply to the slavery question which you ignored completly as I'm sure you did with the other 49 points on offer
figured you did.

i have ignored it for now as there is a lot of work involved to bring you the correct answer but judging from your posts, i think you have already made up your mind what those verses refer to and thus i would just be wasting my time.

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:28 pm
by Minimalist
Slavery = bad.


What is so hard about that?

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:41 pm
by Guest
depends on the usage of the word, the hebrew words used, the context of culturalism, and so on. just because it says the word 'slave' does it mean or refer to the slavery that the african people were subject to.

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:54 pm
by Minimalist
If slavery was such a piece of cake, why does 1/3 of the bible waste its time getting the non-existent Israelites out of their non-existent bondage in Egypt.....where they never were?

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 7:59 pm
by Guest
why does 1/3 of the bible waste its time getting the non-existent Israelites out of their non-existent bondage in Egypt.....where they never were?
that is your opinion and i think i have established very good reasons why they would be deemed non-existent.

i don't think i was saying it was such a piece of cake, especially since the word slave could mean just servant, such as 'butler' or 'maid' does. slave could also mean the worst kind of situation, such as when referring to the american south of the 17th to the 19th centuries.

to determine how it is used in the Bible properly, takes work.

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:17 pm
by Minimalist
Oh, thank you Massa....

We going be good little slaves for jesus!

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:33 pm
by Guest
right now, since you didn't continue with the persian topic, i need something to yank your chain while i wait for the dvd to arrive.

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:46 pm
by Minimalist
You've already defended Joshua's genocide so what is a little slavery in comparison, huh?

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:51 pm
by ed
archaeologist wrote:
why does 1/3 of the bible waste its time getting the non-existent Israelites out of their non-existent bondage in Egypt.....where they never were?
that is your opinion and i think i have established very good reasons why they would be deemed non-existent.

i don't think i was saying it was such a piece of cake, especially since the word slave could mean just servant, such as 'butler' or 'maid' does. slave could also mean the worst kind of situation, such as when referring to the american south of the 17th to the 19th centuries.

to determine how it is used in the Bible properly, takes work.
So then the bible cannot be taken literally?

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:38 am
by Guest
how you view it is up to you, but usually it means you are looking through prejudiced eyes and not willing to see the other side of it.