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http://www.crystalinks.com/egyptindiandena.htmlA Sea People appear in another set of records dated around the early 12th century BC. Ammurapi, the last king of Ugarit (c.1191 BC - 1182 BC) received a letter from the Hittite king Suppliluliuma II warning him about the "Shikalayu who live on boats" who are perhaps the same people as the Shekelesh mentioned in Merneptah's list. It may be relevant that shortly after he received this communication, Ammurapi was overthrown and the city of Ugarit sacked, never to be inhabited again.
well your memory is faulty thenJust which Uni did you take your degree in mind reading at Steve?
I have read it, but in English, which leaves my question unanswered
and in Virgils AeneidWhat a thing was this, too, which that mighty man [Odysseus] wrought and endured in the carven horse, wherein all we chiefs of the Argives were sitting, bearing to the Trojans death and fate!
But come now, change thy theme, and sing of the building of the horse of wood, which Epeius made with Athena's help, the horse which once Odysseus led up into the citadel as a thing of guile, [495] when he had filled it with the men who sacked Ilios. If thou dost indeed tell me this tale aright, I will declare to all mankind that the god has of a ready heart granted thee the gift of divine song.” So he spoke, and the minstrel, moved by the god, began, and let his song be heard, [500] taking up the tale where the Argives had embarked on their benched ships and were sailing away, after casting fire on their huts, while those others led by glorious Odysseus were now sitting in the place of assembly of the Trojans, hidden in the horse; for the Trojans had themselves dragged it to the citadel. [505] So there it stood, while the people talked long as they sat about it, and could form no resolve. Nay, in three ways did counsel find favour in their minds: either to cleave the hollow timber with the pitiless bronze, or to drag it to the height and cast it down the rocks, or to let it stand as a great offering to propitiate the gods, [510] even as in the end it was to be brought to pass; for it was their fate to perish when their city should enclose the great horse of wood, wherein were sitting all the best of the Argives, bearing to the Trojans death and fate. And he sang how the sons of the Achaeans [515] poured forth from the horse and, leaving their hollow ambush, sacked the city.
its quite clear that this isn't a mistranslationBy destiny compell'd, and in despair,
The Greeks grew weary of the tedious war,
And by Minerva's aid a fabric rear'd,
Which like a steed of monstrous height appear'd:
The sides were plank'd with pine; they feign'd it made
For their return, and this the vow they paid..
Thus they pretend, but in the hollow side
Selected numbers of their soldiers hide:
With inward arms the dire machine they load,
And iron bowels stuff the dark abode.
Laocoon, follow'd by a num'rous crowd,
Ran from the fort, and cried, from far, aloud:
‘O wretched countrymen! What fury reigns?
What more than madness has possess'd your brains?
Think you the Grecians from your coasts are gone?
And are Ulysses' arts no better known?
This hollow fabric either must inclose,
Within its blind recess, our secret foes;
Or 't is an engine rais'd above the town,
T' o'erlook the walls, and then to batter down.
Somewhat is sure design'd, by fraud or force:
Trust not their presents, nor admit the horse.’
Sorry ... the Sea Peoples were not Greek, although there were Greeks among them. There were a variety of cultures that made up the Sea Peoples, but the Greeks were not predominant (yes, I'm being redundant to make a point).I think it more likely that "Troy" or whatever it was called was done in by The Sea Peoples. The timing is about right.
Now, there is a significant school of thought that holds that the Sea Peoples were Greek, at least in part. So...what better way to make your ancestors appear to be less of a bunch of barbarians than to declare them "heroes?"
Does anyone here other than Marduk know who orchestrated the Sea Peoples' invasions?Cognito wrote:Sorry ... the Sea Peoples were not Greek, although there were Greeks among them. There were a variety of cultures that made up the Sea Peoples, but the Greeks were not predominant (yes, I'm being redundant to make a point).I think it more likely that "Troy" or whatever it was called was done in by The Sea Peoples. The timing is about right.
Now, there is a significant school of thought that holds that the Sea Peoples were Greek, at least in part. So...what better way to make your ancestors appear to be less of a bunch of barbarians than to declare them "heroes?"
The Philistines conquered Canaanite Ashkelon in ca. 1175 B.C., and throughout the Philistine period Ashkelon flourished as one of the five cities of the Philistine pentapolis and as the main Philistine seaport. Originally of Greek Mycenaean origin, the Philistines, along with other "Sea Peoples," swept across the lands of the eastern Mediterranean shortly after 1200 B.C., displacing the previous inhabitants and carving out their own territory in southern Palestine. We know that they came from the Aegean area because their pottery is closely related to Mycenaean pottery produced during the Late Bronze Age in mainland Greece and the Greek islands. During the earliest period of their occupation of Palestine, the Philistines used local clays to produce a monochrome pottery, decorated with either red or black paint, that is very similar to the Mycenaean pottery of the Aegean. Later they produced a hybrid, bichrome pottery painted in both red and black that contains both Mycenaean and Canaanite stylistic features. This is what has usually been called "Philistine" pottery, but it really represents the second generation of Philistine habitation in the region. In the small area in which the earliest Philistine occupation of Ashkelon has so far been uncovered, the pottery sequence from monochrome to bichrome has been well demonstrated, giving a vivid picture of the arrival of a new group with foreign antecedents and their gradual acculturation to the styles and techniques found in their new home.
The Peleset definitely had Mycenaeans among them. Grave goods in the Philistine area attest to that fact.The Philistines (Peleset to the Egyptians) seem to have convinced people that they were indeed Greek....if not Mycenaean themselves.
Heinrich Schliemann? Priam's Treasure?The treasures found by the German treasure hunter, whose name I forget,
