but you sure use quotes when you need them and call them evidence. besides as it has been posted 'it is the same evidence just different interpretations of that evidence.'
I have quoted passages out of his book which he has backed with archaeological evidence, either his own or others in the field.
When you post a quote it is just left out there, with no context and no hint of what proof may support it....if any. You should have figured out by now that merely citing a bible passage is not likely to impress anyone else on this board. The damn thing is simply wrong most of the time. It gets no special status from being "the bible." It's just a fairly poorly written and horribly edited book of tall tales that cannot and has not survived scientific scrutiny.
When you post citations from authors who make their living out of peddling nonsense to The Great Unwashed you should spend a little more time seeing what their evidence is for making such a claim. I suspect in a lot of cases it is Ron Wyatt or some such other deluded fool.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
so now you are calling mazar, aharoni and others i have used, deluded. you just don't want to face reality.
I have quoted passages out of his book which he has backed with archaeological evidence, either his own or others in the field
you love making yourself look good and others look bad. i have done no different than you except you just sut thinking your the final arbitrator on what is credible and what isn't.
sorry but the only one who has failed in their attempt to prove their case is you. at least i have presented something that explains the lack of evidence. all you can do is hide behind finkelstein's and dever's shoddy work.
yes i said 'shoddy' and it stands out as their arrogance dominates a aspects of their work.
you can't prove that the isrealites arose out of nomadic shephards nor can you prove they are an off-shoot of the canaanite people. it is interpretation which leads them and ultimately you done the wrong path based upon their unwillingness to accept the Biblical record.
And again we go around the block and again it is time to remind you that you have presented NOTHING, beyond biblical love-feasts. To you, that may be enough.
You were perfectly happy to cite Finkelstein's theories until you found out they were his.
That tells me all I need to know about you.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
[quote]You were perfectly happy to cite Finkelstein's theories until you found out they were his. [/quote
one error in not reading clearly. besides finkelstein supports nomadic shephards, i support the exodus and conquest. i have said very little about what i think the actual date is, so our thinking may intersect at one point, doesn't mean that i go along with him just that it meets at one point.
don't jump to concusions, finkelstein is basing his conclusions only on data that he accepts or he finds, i base mine on what the Bible says and include data others dismiss because they do not want to prove the Bible true for whatever reason.
finkelstein is basing his conclusions only on data that he accepts or he finds, i base mine on what the Bible says
Which is why he's an archaeologist and you are just a bible-thumper.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
anyways despite the article by zartel, the discovery itself is important as again it verifies the biblical record and is worthy of discussion on its own merits not what conjecture is thrown in later.
if proven to be joshua's alter, then finkestein and his cohorts must re-think their whole position and beliefs. the story of the conquest will receive vindication while overthrowing kenyon and those who wish to manipulate the dates for their own purposes.
i do agree with Wood and Garsten on their dating of the evidence and i am likely to agree with Mazar concerning the buiding she is unearthing. but the gist of it all is this, skeptics will not believe even if Enoch himself came back and unearthed a inscription, 'King David slept here'.
throwing proof at those who do not believe ends up to being a waste of time as they are never satisfied until it is too late.
if proven to be joshua's alter, then finkestein and his cohorts must re-think their whole position and beliefs. the story of the conquest will receive vindication while overthrowing kenyon and those who wish to manipulate the dates for their own purposes.
That's a mighty big "if" prefacing the remark
Meanwhile, as things stand now, Kenyon, Finkelstein and Dever are right and the bible is nothing but a pile of horseshit.
BTW, Zertal has been spinning this particular line of bullshit since 1985 and has not managed to convice his peers, yet.
While Zertal’s findings on Mount Ebal have given comfort to those in Israel and elsewhere who take the Bible literally, few of his fellow archaeologists have accepted his conclusions. In an article in the Biblical Archaeology Review in 1986, Aharon Kempinski of Tel Aviv University contended that the stones were actually part of a watchtower from the first part of the Iron Age, and that there is “no basis whatever for interpreting this structure as an altar.” Most archaeologists have ignored the find. “Adam Zertal is the lone wolf,” says Uzi Dahari, deputy director of the Israel Antiquities Authority. “He’s working alone.”
“There’s definitely an Iron I site there, and there may even be evidence for cultic activity,” says Israel Finkelstein, an archaeologist at Tel Aviv University. “But I don’t think that you can take the Book of Joshua and use it as a guidebook to the architectural landscape. Joshua was put in writing much later than the events it describes and is full of ideologies related to the needs of the writers.”
Though Finkelstein occupies the middle ground between the literalists and the minimalists, he has led the challenge to traditional biblical archaeology in Israel for the past decade. He offers a markedly different picture of Israel’s early history.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
i am leaning towards it being the alter as from the picture i saw, i cannot see it as a watch tower.
Meanwhile, as things stand now, Kenyon, Finkelstein and Dever are right
ha. ha. ha. you should post that in the joke thread. please post the whole story about finkelstein:
But his work has proved controversial. Several archaeologists have challenged his finding that some ruins related to Solomon are too recent to fit into the biblical account of his reign (“a huge distortion,” says Amihai Mazar of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem). David Hazony, editor of a journal sponsored by a conservative Israeli think tank, wrote that “the urge to smash myths has overtaken sound judgment” in Finkelstein’s work. In an essay in the Israeli daily Ha’aretz, Hershel Shanks, editor of the Biblical Archaeology Review, likened Finkelstein to the minimalists, who, he said, were “anti-Israel” and “anti-Semitic” for their “faddish lack of pride in Israel’s history.”
i wil search for more articles on the alter. (bold print mine)
But his work has proved controversial. Several archaeologists have challenged his finding that some ruins related to Solomon are too recent to fit into the biblical account of his reign (“a huge distortion,” says Amihai Mazar of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem). David Hazony, editor of a journal sponsored by a conservative Israeli think tank, wrote that “the urge to smash myths has overtaken sound judgment” in Finkelstein’s work. In an essay in the Israeli daily Ha’aretz, Hershel Shanks, editor of the Biblical Archaeology Review, likened Finkelstein to the minimalists, who, he said, were “anti-Israel” and “anti-Semitic” for their “faddish lack of pride in Israel’s history.”
With the exception of Mazar, who differs with Finkelstein's chronology by about 50 years! the rest is just jewish horseshit designed to back Likudist policies....which even Likud doesn't follow anymore. "Faddish lack of pride" indeed. Shanks should be ashamed of himself for writing such trash. Better to maintain a lie than face the truth? Oh, wait...you agree with him, don't you?
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
Shanks should be ashamed of himself for writing such trash. Better to maintain a lie than face the truth? Oh, wait...you agree with him, don't you?
haven't made up my mind as it is difficult to pin him down to anything substantial. his obssession with the dead sea scrolls bores me and his take on the james ossuary is not my cup of tea.
as much as i would like that to be true, i suspect the police are right and it is a forgery.[/quote]
It would have to be. There was no historical jesus, either.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.