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The restrictions are "assult rifles", machine guns. and such. There are no restrictions on 100 year old lever action Winchesters. They have to be there. They have not been found.

Digit wrote:Here in Blair's Britain that makes you an ultra conservative, black bashing, anti social believer in individual freedom and everything the Left despises. Welcome to MY club!

Sorry Digit, that doesn't describe me at all, and most people consider me a moderate. But I do have my passions on certain matters.

Gun ownership here is taken for granted, and the only danger they present is when they're in the hands of those who know very little about them (outside of criminals).

I used to be a crack shot, but with older eyes now I can only say that I'm a good shot.

But it seems that our governments today do seem to try to marginalize people, saying that they belong to one extreme or another. In the US, if you were to say that you are a conservative, the public image is one of a right wing Christian wearing a Klan robe. But - that's the image that politicians paint.

gunny wrote:The restrictions are "assult rifles", machine guns. and such. There are no restrictions on 100 year old lever action Winchesters. They have to be there. They have not been found.

Hmm...seems strange that so many would be missing. You're right - somebody should start hunting.

There is a gun show near here once a month, and I have been able to pick up WWl bayonets cheaply - but none of the guns they're supposed to affix to.

I don't think it describes gun owners at all Beag, but that's how they try to portray us. Military weapons aside, the quality of workmanship often used on sporting guns would, elsewhere, be considered as art and appreciated as such.

be considered as art and appreciated as such.

Absolutely agree with that Digit. Especially the antique guns like the flintlocks. I don't own any of those though. I have a rifle, shotgun, pistol, and revolver.

You might get Minimalist to post a pic of his antique rifle again. It's a beaut.

There is a powerful political group of gun owners here in the US, the NRA, and nearly everyone I know belongs to it. They've done many good things for gun owners, but they look pretty flaky when they had Charlton Heston holding a rifle above his head exclaiming, "from my cold dead hands" on TV.

Yeah, I remember that, didn't help here much either. Some years ago we had a nut blow a fuse in a town called Hungerford and go on a rampage with an assault rifle. I don't remember how many he killed but it was over a period, I think, of 45 minutes before the police were on the scene.
Result? Ban assault rifles, the stupid point was that the number killed in that time had nothing to do with the fact that it was an assault rifle, the toll would have been the same with base ball bat, and had anybody near him had had access to a weapon the toll would have been a lot less.
10 years agao another nut in Scotland cut down some school kids using a licensed hand gun.
Result? Ban hand guns. The local police who knew him had opposed him having a gun, the local Boy Scouts group likewise, and his gun club as well.
They were all overuled by the local Chief Constable who propmtly retired on a full pension due to 'ill health'.

Yep - we have our share of nuts with the same result. Blame the guns? Your famous Jack the Ripper didn't use a gun.

They never look at it that way though.

Here's my 1863 Zouave.... .577 caliber and not a bad shooter.





I have no use for the NRA, Beags. As far as I am concerned they are nothing but a front for the gun makers.

Hmm...I wouldn't have guessed that . They're big here in Tennessee. I was a member for quite a bit gave it up several years ago.

That's a great lookin' gun.

I don't like the way they quote half an amendment.

Do you think quoting all of it makes it any different?

What militia company do you belong to?

Ahh, I see where you're going. Well, all they have to do is take it to the Supreme court or call for a new amendment.

This argument has been around a long time but it was never taken before even a liberal Supreme court. The lawyers are satisfied with the interpretation.

So for now we still have the right to bear arms.

U.S. Supreme Court ruling in U.S. v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939). In that case, the Court ruled that the "obvious purpose" of the Second Amendment was to "assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness" of the state militia.

Since Miller, the Supreme Court has addressed the Second Amendment twice more, upholding New Jersey's strict gun control law in 1969 and upholding the federal law banning felons from possessing guns in 1980. Furthermore, twice - in 1965 and 1990 - the Supreme Court has held that the term "well-regulated militia" refers to the National Guard

The notion that each citizen has the unlimited "right" to arm himself to the teeth is largely a fiction of the NRA. Many states have chosen to "infringe" on these so-called rights with licensing and other regulations.
None of these laws have ever been overturned because of the 2d Amendment.

Many other states choose not to regulate guns or to do so in a manner which is a travesty. The point is, it is a matter of states' rights not a constitutional right.

I once had a gun nut tell me that he agreed that the national guard was the successor to the militia system so the amendment was unchanged. I told him that if he joined the guard they would give him whatever gun they wanted him to have....he did not have to supply his own. I also told him that it would be my fervent hope that the guard would not give him anything more dangerous than a lawn mower.

Certainly most (or all) states require registering a gun. We have to register cars and even get a license to marry.

I don't know the whole context of those Supreme Court decision, and I'll look them up.

There are many places where firearms are not allowed, and rightfully so. such as anywhere alcohol is served or in a courtroom, etc.

There are a few states that have banned the sale of firearms but those citizens just buy guns across the state line. There is no state that I know of that prohibits gun ownership, if one is not a felon.

I didn't realize that you are an anti-gun proponent Min. That's just something we'll never agree on.