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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:13 pm
by Frank Harrist
Minimalist wrote:I suppose it could work...if two things could be worked out.
1 - each cradle would take up some room on the track in the gallery thus shortening the length of each pull....which would not be so bad if,
2- There was any indication that they had a winch-type device or pulleys to pull it back.
Since I rather doubt that a 70+ton weight could be pulled up a 28-degree slope by hand at all, the idea makes sense. But each trip down the gradient would be followed by several hours worth of pulling the individual cradles back up the slope. With that one stone every two minutes pace going on around them it would seem like it would quickly outpace the ability of these crews to raise the granite blocks. Of course, they could always stop placing stones while working on the granite but what does that then do to the time factor?
Make the cradles light enoigh for men to pull them back up, one at a time. Unload some rocks, whatever. Screw the time factor, they're just wrong about that.
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:26 pm
by Minimalist
Screw the time factor, they're just wrong about that.
They can't let go of that, Frank. If they do, the whole "tombs and tombs only" theory goes out the window with it.
I think they started from the wrong end. They decided that the pyramids were tombs and worked backwards from there.
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:30 pm
by Digit
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Shaduf
Invented in Sumer they say Min, and Sumer was supposedly practicing irrigated farming well before the pyramids.
Roy.
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:31 pm
by Frank Harrist
Then they'll never figure it out. That don't mean that WE can't. We can't shoot down evry theory because it don't fit the time frame. If the time frame won't work with anything then the time frame itself must be wrong and we should work from that assumption. Screw the club! I bet they don't even think bigfoot is a real creature either.
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:17 am
by Minimalist
You're right, Frank. They are prisoners of a pre-conceived notion.
I guess that we are all in agreement that "internal ramps" as outlined in the program seem impractical?
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:13 pm
by Digit
There's a programme on tonight 'Engineering Ancient Egypt'.
If they mention ramps and a twenty year build I'll put a brick through the screen!
Roy.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:34 pm
by Minimalist
Might be best not to watch, Dig.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:48 pm
by Digit
Got a spare TV set!
Roy.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:53 pm
by Minimalist
You could throw a pillow instead of a brick.
Less messy.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 2:03 pm
by Digit
I'll consider it. Programme's about to start. Watch this space!
Roy.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:08 pm
by Digit
I watched the first hour. The TV survived 'cos the wife held onto the brick!
Up To the first interval 9 out of 10 words were guess work. From there on it went down hill!
Twenty year build under Khufru, 25000 people out of a population of 1500000, organised so the they worked during the flood only, so the 20 yr build becomes a five yr task.
One block delivered every three minutes on sleds, pulled up a ramp that never extended more than half way up the pyramid according to the images shown, no mention as to how they lifted the blocks on to or off the sleds.
Khufru was making a statement. Blah, blah, blah!
Gave up and I'm watching Men in Black 2.
Roy.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:41 pm
by Minimalist
Yep.
MIB2 is far more believable than Zahi's vision of pyramid construction.
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:45 pm
by Digit
I wasn't going to say that!
Roy.
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:35 pm
by Digit
About turn! Just found this and I have to say that it looks feasible, and a damn site better idea than some that have been proposed. But not in twenty years, it would have somewhat crowded in that tunnel and presumably they would either have to have had passing places or stop hauling to let people back down.
http://www.archaeology.org/0705/etc/pyramid.html
The gravimetric images are especially interesting, also one part made me smile. The original images didn't show was expected so were ignored. Oh for an open mind!
Roy.
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:24 pm
by Minimalist
Bob Brier is a senior research fellow at the C. W. Post Campus of Long Island University and a contributing editor to ARCHAEOLOGY.
Brier did the TV special and failed to disclose that he has a financial interest in this theory.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0061655 ... eader-link
Anyway, why do we need any sort of tunnel. At Meidum, Sneferu built the entire core of the pyramid but the exterior fell down.
If you have a ramp snaking around the core all you need to do is build the whole core and then start building the rest of the pyramid
on the way down. The biggest complaint about wrap-around ramps is that they obscure the angles but that is only true if you are starting at the bottom. If you start at the top you can check your angles every day on the way down. As you go down you are essentially dismantling the ramp which does leave no evidence for modern Egyptologists.