Headstrong, stupid, or both?

[Rokcet Scientist]

I said that the importation of cocaine and heroin could be stopped.

No you didn't:

This country has way too many people driven over the edge of crazed desperation by drugs -- junkies, tweakers and pipers. Not to mention the pot-headed walking dead. The importation of illegal (for a good reason, basically) drugs could be stopped in 24 hours

You clearly included cannabis, and you implied strongly that it is imported. It isn't!

the importation [of cocaine and heroin] could be stopped. And it could be.

Dream on: as long as there is demand it can't be stopped. As history has abundantly proven.

Pot and alcohol are ineradicable because stupidity is ineradicable.

Pot and alcohol are simply drugs. Exactly like cocaïne, heroïn, XTC, GHB, angel dust, nicotine, caffeïne, chocolate, etc. etc.
The difference is that pot and XTC are NOT physically addictive, so we call them 'soft drugs', while all the others are physically addictive, so we call those 'hard drugs'.
So when you drink your next cup of coffee, or a beer, or eat a candybar, or smoke a cigarette, you are defacto a hard drug user...
So the US has 300 million hard drug users!
And, as we all know, hard drug users lie through their teeth, and would steal from their own mother.

[uniface]

You're seeing what you want to see, Rokcet, and the way you want to see it.

Free country. (Well, kind of).

[uniface]

http://www.drugwar.com/catherineaustinfittsindex.shtm

[Rokcet Scientist]

You're seeing what you want to see, Rokcet, and the way you want to see it.

That's the difference between you and me, uni: you're seeing what they want you to see, and the way they want you to see it...
And you're swallowing it hook, line, and sinker.
That's Fox News for ya.

[Digit]

Out of curiosity has anyone here who supports the legalisation of various drugs ever been addicted?
I was once, it's not fun. I went to a wedding this Saturday, I ended up in hospital, unintentional side effect of a prescription drug.
Some people can handle drugs, even alcohol, some can't.
Much crime in the UK is committed to support drug habits, how would legalising them help?

Roy.

[kbs2244]

It is simple economics, Digit.
And social stigma.

If they are legal, but taxed, like tobacco and alcohol, the social stigma goes away.
It is no longer a “illegal habit,” it is only a “disease.”
Like alcoholism.

That makes it is OK to talk to your doctor about it.
He won’t get in trouble and neither will you.
Foundations will appear to "help" you.

And since it is now legal, even if taxed, legal companies can start producing it.
The whole cost increasing need for smuggling, hidden production, sneaky delivery, etc. goes away.
All you need is record keeping.
Pretty cheap and easy in this day of computers.
You could even use UPS of FedX!

BTW
Don’t get me wrong, I am not in favor of any kind of drug use.
(I do have some wine after dinner and a beer while mowing the lawn.)
But the simple fact is that if we in the US had never had Probation, we would have never had the Mafia as bad as it was.
The money they made fueled their move it “straight” business.
(Notably restaurant supply and garbage hauling.)
Those industries would not be what they are now if not for that heritage,

The current drug money is showing up in a number of “straight” business.
Financial, of course. The sums are enormous.
But also communications, even ship design.

They have for years used sub-surface, but snorkeling dependent, boats on the Pacific coast.
But the latest bust was an honest to God diesel / electric submarine.
Capable of 100 foot plus depth cruising for over 100 miles.
We just do not need that kind of money and knowledge under that kind of control.

[Digit]

In the UK you can go to your doctor and register as an addict, that doesn't necessarily help you break the habit, just hopefully stops you mugging old ladies for your fix money.

Roy.

[uniface]

Faux News ?

You pretty clearly didn't read the link.

If you had, you'd know and understand some things you didn't before.

[Rokcet Scientist]

Besides that part of the justice, police, and prison system communities, more than 80%, that have a vested interest, for their livelyhood, in opposing legalisation of MJ, now the already legalised drug dealer community chimes in, scared of the prospect of more competition. Isn't that a decidedly un-American mentality?

[uniface]

My bad on that one, Rokcet. I posted what I thought was the right link but it was only a link to the links I'd intended. Lemme try again, OK ? You're looking at the tip of the iceberg.

Narcodollars for Beginners
How the Money Works
in the Illicit Drug Trade

What are the four states with the largest market share in illegal narcotics trafficking? Draw a map if you want and shade them in on your map.

Yup. You got it.

New York, California, Texas and Florida.

It makes sense. Those are the biggest states. They have big coastal areas and borders and big ports. It would make sense that the population would grow in the big states where the trade and business flow grows. If you check back to Part I of "Narco Dollars for Dummies", we described two businesses. One was Sam's sugar business that had a SLIM PERCENTAGE profit. The other was Dave's drug business that had a BIG PERCENTAGE profit. It would make sense that these four states would be real big in both Sam's sugar business and Dave's drug businesses.

OK. Now. What are the four states with the biggest business in money laundering of narco profits and other profits of organized crime?

Not surprising? Same four states. They are all known as banking power places.

New York, California, Texas and Florida.

What's next? What are the four states with the biggest business in taking the laundered narco profits and using them to deposit money in a bank, or to buy another company, or to start a new company, or just buy stock in the stock market? That's what I call the reinvestment business.

Same four, right? New York, California, Texas and Florida . . .

http://www.drugwar.com/fittsnarco1.shtm
http://www.drugwar.com/fittsnarco2.shtm
http://www.drugwar.com/fittsnarco3.shtm

[uniface]

Or does what all the bigger picture entails occasion too much discomfort ?

Better safely wiseacring about the symptoms than addressing the disease (or denying that it is one) ?

[uniface]

A few more to suppliment the preceding

http://ocnorml.org/pot%20news/prison_industry.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/031900-02.htm

http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2 ... ctims.html

[Digit]

http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2 ... ctims.html

Probably the only place now over here where you can get job training!

Roy.

[uniface]

They always pick the people who get no sympathy as their target. Then they extend their reach . . .

Notice how internet censorship is always about child molestors (at first) ?

[Digit]

All societies set limits Uni, it's part of what makes a society, in some cases those limits, or lack of them, define that society.

Roy.