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why don't you refute what i said with facts and links instead being a sideline commentator who posts unconstructive dialogue.
Leona Conner wrote:Arch, the Catholics did not come into being as a separate religion until the 16th century after the protestant reformation. So the Crusaders were all just plain old Christians.archaeologist wrote: . . . . the crusades, which was orchastrated by the catholics not the christians. nor do i agree with the salem witch trials yet you want to hold those of us accountable for all those things we had nothing to do with.
and it isn't guilt by association.
What makes you think Christians had nothing to do with the Salem witch trials? And it twere't the Cathoics either. bub.
First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly - and I myself was unaware of it - will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know.
Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God.
Wow - that could have been written by Hitler. And when you think of all the seminaries and churches that carry the name "Lutherin".......Minimalist wrote:
Here you go, Leona. You may find this interesting. A little booklet from Martin Luther himself on Jews.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/luther.htm
First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly - and I myself was unaware of it - will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know.
Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God.
A fine example of a good christian.
actually that is not true. they were the only official state religion wielding great power but they were not the only church in existence. thus...Arch, the Catholics did not come into being as a separate religion until the 16th century after the protestant reformation
NO.So the Crusaders were all just plain old Christians
never said that christians weren't involved with that episode. in fact if i remember correctly it was the puritans who conducted those trials, i don't think the catholics had anything to do with them.What makes you think Christians had nothing to do with the Salem witch trials?
trying to be subtle doesn't improfve your reputation or your credibility. do you get brownie points for insulting religious people?Damn - I'm feeding the trolls again.... Sorry Min.
archaeologist wrote:actually that is not true. they were the only official state religion wielding great power but they were not the only church in existence. thus...Arch, the Catholics did not come into being as a separate religion until the 16th century after the protestant reformation
Of course it's true. One Great Big Indulgence-Selling Christian Entity headquartered in Rome. No need for alternate designation until the Reformation.
NO.So the Crusaders were all just plain old Christians
YES....(ask the Muslims.)
never said that christians weren't involved with that episode. in fact if i remember correctly it was the puritans who conducted those trials, i don't think the catholics had anything to do with them.What makes you think Christians had nothing to do with the Salem witch trials?
Indeed, they did not. They all had separate bonfires to roast non-believers. If you ever want to get truly sick, read up on the 30 Years War.
trying to be subtle doesn't improfve your reputation or your credibility. do you get brownie points for insulting religious people?Damn - I'm feeding the trolls again.... Sorry Min.
I do.
in dealing with anyone, the talent of being sophisticated is a necessity. lumping everyone together into one group only leads to misunderstandings, misconceptions,and false accusations. You have constantine to thank for the big roman machine and once that was established, 'unscrupolus (sp) men took advantage of the opportunity presented them and infiltrated the church instituting doctrines and practices' that have nothing to do with Christ or the Bible. (lattourette, i believe wrote that)Of course it's true. One Great Big Indulgence-Selling Christian Entity headquartered in Rome. No need for alternate designation until the Reformation
see above. the crusaders were made up of catholic knights and probably some unbelievers joining them to fight a common enemy. it is possible that there were some 'christians' involved as well but true christians most likely would not have picked up a sword to fight for an earthly kingdom.YES....(ask the Muslims.)
read about it and not everything done in the name of Christ is of Christ though He gets all the blame.If you ever want to get truly sick, read up on the 30 Years War.
my question is: are you a christian? if not then your wife (if a true believer) disobeyed God to marry you and you led your wifeto sin. some love you have for her.I have no problem with religious people, my wife is Christian
actually i am not close-minded not only am i restrained by what the Bible says, i have examined your side thoroughly and found it wanting. just like you i have exercised my freedom of choice, which is the right God has given all men without condition.What I have a problem with is close minded people.
No I am not a Christian. To save time and posts I will tell you I am a Pholosophic Taoist. I love my wife very much and since I don't share your view that it is a sin for her to marry me I have not led her astray. I haven't tried to convert her to Taoism.archaeologist wrote:my question is: are you a christian? if not then your wife (if a true believer) disobeyed God to marry you and you led your wifeto sin. some love you have for her.I have no problem with religious people, my wife is Christian
I agree with a couple of things you have said here, and disagree with a couple.archaeologist wrote:actually i am not close-minded not only am i restrained by what the Bible says, i have examined your side thoroughly and found it wanting. just like you i have exercised my freedom of choice, which is the right God has given all men without condition.What I have a problem with is close minded people.
many on this board have used their choice for their beliefs and as the get to present their perspective so do i. then just because i disagree with you does it mean i am close-minded, it just means i have made my choice and i will stick to that choice.
for the last time---- i do not post personal information on the computer
Seems that they considered themselves christians...further, not only Knights were requisitioned to go but also men-at-arms. They were looking for as big a force of christians as they could get. Your attempt to distinguish catholic and christian, in 1096, is pointless. They were all one.archaeologist wrote:in dealing with anyone, the talent of being sophisticated is a necessity. lumping everyone together into one group only leads to misunderstandings, misconceptions,and false accusations. You have constantine to thank for the big roman machine and once that was established, 'unscrupolus (sp) men took advantage of the opportunity presented them and infiltrated the church instituting doctrines and practices' that have nothing to do with Christ or the Bible. (lattourette, i believe wrote that)Of course it's true. One Great Big Indulgence-Selling Christian Entity headquartered in Rome. No need for alternate designation until the Reformation
thus while loathing what they did to you in a indirect way, your painting everyone with the same brush only allows you to be robbed of what you could have gained if you were more discriminating in your hatred.
They have occupied more and more of the lands of those Christians, and have overcome them in seven battles. They have killed and captured many, and have destroyed the churches and devastated the empire. If you permit them to continue thus for awhile with impurity, the faithful of God will be much more widely attacked by them. On this account I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ's heralds to publish this everywhere and to persuade all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it meant also for those who are absent. Moreover, Christ commands it.
From the report of Fulcher of Chartes of Pope Urban II's speech at Clermont.
"All who die by the way, whether by land or by sea, or in battle against the pagans, shall have immediate remission of sins. This I grant them through the power of God with which I am invested. O what a disgrace if such a despised and base race, which worships demons, should conquer a people which has the faith of omnipotent God and is made glorious with the name of Christ! With what reproaches will the Lord overwhelm us if you do not aid those who, with us, profess the Christian religion!
read about it and not everything done in the name of Christ is of Christ though He gets all the blame.If you ever want to get truly sick, read up on the 30 Years War.
my question is: are you a christian? if not then your wife (if a true believer) disobeyed God to marry you and you led your wifeto sin. some love you have for her.I have no problem with religious people, my wife is Christian
actually i am not close-minded not only am i restrained by what the Bible says, i have examined your side thoroughly and found it wanting. just like you i have exercised my freedom of choice, which is the right God has given all men without condition.What I have a problem with is close minded people.
