Inteligent Design

Post by **Minimalist** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:11 am

And your questions were answered but you don't like the answers. I can't help that.

But a god with blood dripping from his hands who is somehow the basis for all morality, now there is something to get one's teeth into.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:59 pm

And your questions were answered but you don't like the answers. I can't help that

they never were.

But a god with blood dripping from his hands who is somehow the basis for all morality, now there is something to get one's teeth into

there are so many elements that factor in this which yu would not accept so there is no point in addressing this topic.

one of your errors, though, is that you don't allow God to do anything but be lovey-dovey. He has His laws and punishment for breaking them is not always nice. you think you can live your life breaking His laws and still get to heaven? that would be hypocrisy and sin. punishment, no matter if you agree with it or not, will be meted out.

Post by **Minimalist** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:27 pm

There is no heaven or hell, arch, that's just a tale to frighten children. I can see in your case that it worked.

So, let met get this straight: Your god, a murderous, blood-thirsty, vainglorious being who insists on being worshipped is nonetheless "moral" because he is "god". Thus, when he says "Thou Shalt Not Kill" there was really a codicil which said "except those who I direct you to exterminate."

Sounds more like Hitler, to me.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:50 pm

so if you break the american law, you expect the government to pat you onthe head and say, 'oh thats alright. have a chocolate bar.' ?

Post by **Minimalist** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:30 am

?

Governments actually DO punish law breakers, you know.

There is nothing theoretical about it. We have the prisons to prove it.

God on the other hand has never been shown to have punished anyone.

Funny how that works.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:46 pm

shall i spell it out with crayons this time?

the appointed time for judgment is coming. if God punished a lot of people in view of everyone, then where would faith be? there wouldn't be a need for it as all would see God at work.

you are trying to have it all sans faith and it will not work.

Post by **Minimalist** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:53 pm

No arch....only bubble headed bible believers believe (nice alliteration, eh!) that silliness....oh, and the ancient Egyptians, too.

The rest of us have to keep an eye out for George Bush watering down our civil liberties in the name of 'protecting' us..... the mantra of tyrants throughout history, btw.

So....still no explanation for mass murder being highly moral, huh?

I'll wait. Why not drop the pope an e-mail....maybe he can help you out. After all, he served in the German army.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:18 am

The rest of us have to keep an eye out for George Bush watering down our civil liberties in the name of 'protecting' us.....

yes your liberties are going out the window, too bad.

So....still no explanation for mass murder being highly moral, huh?

any explanation i would offer would fly over your head and you would still condemn it. suffice it to say that God's actions are just even though you do not understand it. remember you are reading the result, you do not know the whole story so until you are privy to all the facts, i wouldn't hurl any insults if i were you.

Why not drop the pope an e-mail....

i do not believe in the pope nor is he of my faith. he is a wasted figurehead.

Post by **Minimalist** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:06 am

suffice it to say that God's actions are just even though you do not understand it.

And therein lies the rub. Your 'god' was created to give moral cover to the actions of men. Men who were capable of writing "Thou Shalt Not Kill" with one hand and merrily crushing the skulls of defenseless prisoners on the other.

Real Big Heros.

i do not believe in the pope nor is he of my faith. he is a wasted figurehead.

All you bible thumpers are the same.....he just has fancier clothes.

Post by **Minimalist** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:13 am

BTW, here's what religion is good for. Have a little fun with it!

http://apnews.excite.com/article/200606 ... BSP00.html

HELL, Mich. (AP) - They're planning a hot time in Hell on Tuesday. The day bears the date of 6-6-06, or abbreviated as 666 - a number that carries hellish significance. And there's not a snowball's chance in Hell that the day will go unnoticed in the unincorporated hamlet 60 miles west of Detroit.

Nobody is more fired up than John Colone, the town's self-styled mayor and owner of a souvenir shop.

"I've got '666' T-shirts and mugs. I'm only ordering 666 (of the items) so once they're gone, that's it," said Colone, also known as Odum Plenty. "Everyone who comes will get a letter of authenticity saying you've celebrated June 6, 2006, in Hell."

Most of Colone's wares will sell for $6.66, including deeds to one square inch of Hell.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 2:14 pm

here's what religion is good for. Have a little fun with it!

sad isn't it. people take such serious matters so lightly.

Post by **Minimalist** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:20 pm

Hey, at least they're having some fun which is more than I can say for people who think it is real!

Enjoy.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
-- (Epicurus)

The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.
-- H. L. Mencken

Sunday school: A prison in which children do penance for the evil conscience of their parents.
-- H. L. Mencken

What is the function that a clergyman performs in the world?
Answer: He gets his living by assuring idiots that he can save them from an imaginary hell.
-- H. L. Mencken

Satan hasn't a single salaried helper; the Opposition employ a million.
-- Mark Twain

If Christ were here there is one thing he would not be -- a Christian.
-- Mark Twain

Organized religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers. It tells people to go out and stick their noses in other people's business. I live by the golden rule: Treat others as you'd want them to treat you. The religious right wants to tell people how to live.
-- Gov. Jesse Ventura

Over the years I've met a handful of people who regularly talk with God, but they usually do so only when they're off their medications.
-- Harley Sorensen

If Jesus were among us today, he’d bitch-slap George Bush, Mel Gibson, Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly for using Christ as political cannon-fodder.
--Thurston Wells

I have a problem with people who take the Constitution loosely and the Bible literally.
--Bill Maher

So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence.
-- Bertrand Russell

Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones

Two great European narcotics, alcohol and Christianity.
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
(Gee, and to think, Dubya has abused both.)

These televangelists say they don't favor any particular denomination, but I think we've all seen their eyes light up at tens and twenties...
-- Dennis Miller

So Dubya goes to war because god told him to.
There's a woman down in Texas who bashed in her kid's skulls for the same reason.
-- Ed Krebs

Post by **Minimalist** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:13 pm

To true to pass up:

"Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible)."

--Thomas Paine

Post by **Minimalist** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:58 pm

Definitely not "Intelligently Designed."

http://reuters.excite.com//article/2006 ... ON-DC.html

Lioness in zoo kills man who invoked God

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:21 am

Definitely not "Intelligently Designed."

yes i have dealt with that in another forum and all i can say is that was a stupid move. also, he didn't invoke God but shouted "...if he exists." so i doubt he was a true believer but instead was just tempting God which is a no-no.

Enjoy.

a few of those don't make sense, some are just off the wall while most need more explanation than i can give at this time. i think the complexities of being a believer escape you as you rely on observations that fail to investigate the reasons behind the actions.

but it is nice to see you post a one-sided set of observations. where is the other side of the story to make this objective? or balanced?