Radiocarbon dating 2.0

[Rokcet Scientist]

Would you prefer Obama tell us that everything is fine and he is sure that BP has it all under control?

That is what he in effect is doing. IRL he is doing with BP what any red-blooded Republican would do: nothing.

Remember, the Republicans want him to apologize to BP!

Of course: BP is the Ammon god.

[uniface]

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In any case, in early 1933, Hitler was not the undisputed leader of Germany, nor did he have full command of the armed forces. Hitler was a major figure in a coalition government, but he was far from being the government himself. That was the result of a process of consolidation which evolved later.

So much for the preemptive strike against Hitler lie.

Hitler's March 28, 1933 speech ordering a [one-day] boycott against Jewish stores and goods was in direct response to the declaration of war on Germany by the worldwide Jewish leadership.

The simple fact is that it was organized Jewry as a political entity - and not even the German Jewish community per se - that actually initiated the first shot in the war with Germany.

As with the pogroms in Russia, previously : behave obnoxiously, provoke a reaction, then whine that this is "persecution."

[Digit]

declaration of war on Germany by the worldwide Jewish leadership.

Must have missed that, what weapons did they use?
Is that why Hitler attacked Holland, Belgium, Grease, Russia, Libya, Tunisia and declared war on the USA.
By the way Uni, there ain't no world wide Jewish leadership, not that you'll believe that of course for as you said, belief is proof againgst any form of logic etc.
I guess it was the world wide Jewish leadership that caused the nuclear wars in India etc as well was it? You sure we're not responsible for Global Warming, HIV, Swine Flu, Flying Saucers and warts as well?

Roy.

Oh, I missed the Gulf oil leak, better add that to the list as well I suppose.

[MichelleH]

Guess I need to work on splitting this topic.....

[uniface]

Must have missed that, what weapons did they use?

Finance, media slander and economic-political influence.

By the way Uni, there ain't no world wide Jewish leadership

There's no Prince of the Diaspora any more ?
No more kahilla diktat enforcements ?
No competing power blocks butting heads and forming coalitions ?
AIPAC no longer dictates "American" foreign and domestic policy ?

[Digit]

God you are in for a shock when you wake up! And again you dodged the question about Hitler declaring war on the Jews, you are a band with one tune, every time sombody pulls you up on your rubbish you ignore it or quote another anti semite with his own agenda. You have never yet produced a single piece of solid evidence for any of your claims, whether political, historical, ethnological nor archaeological.
Evidence matters not, Uni's opinion is all!
Ok I admit it, there is a world wide Jewish conspiracy to rule the world, and we are winning, next we will start warming the ovens!
Only the truth is what you don't believe, the tooth fairy lives on!

Roy.

[Digit]

Finance, media slander and economic-political influence.

In other words, having read in Mein Kampf what Hitler had in store for them, the jewish people ceased to cooperate with Hitler.
How terribly un sporting of them!

Roy.

[uniface]

Quite the contrary, Dig. The two flags which flew in Germany with official authorization from 1933 on were the German flag and the blue & white Mogen David which you see today in Israel. Zionist youth camps operated in Germany throughout the war with government support. There are a LOT of inconvenient facts like that that your summary generalisation of the big picture leaves out, making them tantamount to telling lies by omission.

One of the most egregious is your refusal to acknowledge that the German system of segregating the criminal and socially toxic elements in prison camps and putting them to work did not differ greatly, in concept, from the Bureau of Prisons system of today in the US, where the imprisoned are put to work in UNICORP factories. The differences between them, when they are compared, are rather favorable to the Germans. The inmates at Buchenwald, for one example, had their own brothel -- staffed by, and exclusively serving the inmate population -- and an inmate symphony orchestra (which spent a lot of its time wrangling over whether to play Communist anthems or general music).

Eisenhower, Churchill and DeGaul all wrote lengthy and ponderously detailed memoirs long after WWII, with the advantage of hindsight. None of these contain so much as one line alleging (or even suspecting) the existence of "death camps." The International Red Cross made regular inspections of them and filed detailed reports each time. Nothing in these can be plausibly used as even grounds for suspicion that the Germans were murdering people (in "gas chambers" or any other way) in them.

But this has not stopped the liars from spinning the most preposterous and dispicable lies about them imaginable. Auschwitz, for a case in point, had six crematory ovens -- installed when it was discovered that cholera victims from the east being buried there were contaminating the water supply. The maximum output of each (in theory, because it omits the down time that was necessary for maintenance) was one cadaver per day. Making the greatest possible number of bodies disposed of during the course of the war, from the time they were installed to its end, about six THOUSAND.

In the face of this -- in defiance of sheer physical possibility -- the propaganda claim that six MILLION people were murdered and cremated there was advanced as "undeniable historical fact" for fifty years. At Auschwitz, it was claimed that people were killed in showers which were really "gas chambers." The engineering and design details of these makes the conclusion inescapable that if they had been used for this purpose, not only the shower-takers, but the guards and everybody downwind of them would have all been killed together. Not to mention the inconvenient fact that analysis of the paint on the walls of them, going down to the original surface, proves that this could not have been the case. Nor (unfortunately) is it physically possible that (as alleged) trenches were bulldozed and filled with bodies which were burnt to nothing by dousing them with gasoline and setting fire to them. As any number of people doing life for murder can tell you : it doesn't freaking work. Bodies are 98% water. And water doesn't burn worth squat. Not to mention that excavation of these alleged disposal sites shows undisturbed ground and no bone chips.

As inconvenient facts like these gained traction, the "official" numbers started shrinking (never be enough to square with reality), and the locations started being shuffled around. After a while, "the scene of the [alleged] crime" was shifted to locations in the (then) Soviet Union (making information-based rebuttal difficult). There, safely beyond inquiry, "millions" of Jews were (supposedly) murdered by loading them into "Gasmobiles" which drove around with their own exhaust vented into them. Unfortunately for this claim, the vans used there didn't have gasoline engines, but diesel. Because the engine specs survive, the exhaust toxicity of these can be (and has been) easily calculated by automotive engineers : the net effect of breathing one hour of straight exhaust would be a moderate headache.

We haven't gone (although we can, if you like) into the crimes and provocations of Jews as an ethnic block -- both inside and outside Germany -- from 1917 on which finally prompted the reaction they experienced there. Nor have we (ditto) touched on the Talmudically-based marching orders, that Judaism -- as a collective entity -- has functioned on the basis of from long before modern Europe came into being. Nor on the candid admissions and warnings of any number of honest Jews themselves over the last 200 years who foresaw the way the hand would play out.

All of these lie in store if your monstrous defamation of Germany and Germans continues. I cheerfully admit that you will not be swayed in the least -- beliefs are immune to facts and logic. Even to personal experience. History has long demonstrated that, virtually everywhere. But those reading our exchanges might have their curiosity tweaked sufficiently to prompt some investigation.

And this is the real danger to the Lie Machine. Because once one "inarguable historical fact" is exposed as a lie, there's no telling what follow-up inquiry will uncover.

Yr. Obt. Svt. & Wellwisher

Uni

[Digit]

And the films about the camps with all the rotting corpses were made by Jewish camera men with an international agenda weren't they?
And I'm a foil!?

your monstrous defamation of Germany and Germans continues.

Where was this?

I cheerfully admit that you will not be swayed in the least

Neither will you, but the evidence, that inconvenient truth from eye witnesses, of all nationalities, is on my side not yours.

But those reading our exchanges might have their curiosity tweaked sufficiently to prompt some investigation.

Somehow I doubt very much that members of this forum will be persuaded by your fairy stories any more than they were on Ishtars forum.

There, safely beyond inquiry, "millions" of Jews were (supposedly) murdered by loading them into "Gasmobiles" which drove around with their own exhaust vented into them. Unfortunately for this claim, the vans used there didn't have gasoline engines, but diesel.

The failure to kill millions with vans is what led to the gas chambers, and if you think you could breathe in a van full of diesel fumes you are again simply demonstrating your pathetic lack of scientific knowledge and I would not recommend that you try it!
Also your statement infers that the 'gasmobiles' were tried and found to be a failure!

the propaganda claim that six MILLION people were murdered

Well I'll knock off the odd 100000 or so just to ease your conscience, okay?

it doesn't freaking work.

Hence the need for the crematoria, still standing BTW.

socially toxic elements

As defined by whom and by what right? I consider your views to be socially toxic, does that give me the right to incacerate you?

Zionist youth camps operated in Germany throughout the war with government support.

That I would need to see independent verification for.

Roy.

[dannan14]

Well since, as per usual, you provided no evidence to back your claims, i looked the first one up. Nothing i could find about the Magen David mentioned being an official flag of the Weimar Republic. That government had several flags, but none that were remotely like the Star of David. The only blue flags in Germany, it seems, are in the State of Bavaria, (damn they make great pretzels, don't they?).

[Digit]

And just like Uni's mistaken belief in his ability to survive burning diesel fuels he can't correctly spell the Yiddish name for the Star of David either! David not being a Jewish name.

Roy.

[uniface]

I used the common American spelling I've seen in commerce for 50 years.

With supply lines bombed (which accomplished no military objective but, like the firebombing of Dresden, immensely pleased scum like Morgenthau and Baruch), starvation set in. With resistance lowered, cholera and typhus broke out.

The corpses were real enough. It's the fiction woven around the pictures that's at issue. It's the issue with you across the board. History to you is like a streetlight is to a drunk -- more for support than illumination.

Prattle on, Dig.

[Digit]

I used the common American spelling I've seen for 50 years

After 50 years you should know better!
Any verification as I asked for or are you ignoring that?
So nobody died in the camps till late in the war then, and for your information very few non Jews in the UK spilled any tears over Dresden, Munich, Berlin or anywhere else any more than your people wept over Hiroshima?
I doubt many Nazis wept over Coventry, Bristol, Birmingham, Liverpool or London either, or would you argue that point?
I also asked you where I had defamed Germany or Germans, any answer there or should I just prattle on showing up your lack of knowledge?
And by the way, you asked me about a natural explanation for high levels of radiation in your Indian sites, I replied with a means of proving natural or otherwise, do I get an answer there either?

Roy.

[uniface]

Thanks to Hitler, 60,000 German Jews emigrated to Israel between 1933 and 1941. Thanks to a "Transfer Agreement" between Nazis and Zionists, Jewish property valued at $100 million was transferred to Israel in the form of German industrial exports used to build Israel's infrastructure.

As soon as the Nazis assumed power in 1933, the Zionists gained a visibly protected political status. After the Reichstag fire, the Nazis crushed virtually all political opposition and closed 600 newspapers. But not the Zionists nor their newspaper which was hawked from every street corner, and saw its circulation multiply five times to 38,000. Zionism was "the only separate political philosophy sanctioned by the Third Reich."

The Zionist uniform was the only non-Nazi uniform allowed in Germany. Same with their flag. Hebrew was mandated in Jewish schools.

Lengthy :
http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_ord ... _nazis.htm

[Digit]

You have a wonderful way of doing two things Uni, one, avoiding awkward questions, and two, corrupting things to your own tenets.
How about answering the points I have made, both here and in Big Bangs, and how about independent verification for this...

As soon as the Nazis assumed power in 1933, the Zionists gained a visibly protected political status. After the Reichstag fire, the Nazis crushed virtually all political opposition and closed 600 newspapers. But not the Zionists nor their newspaper which was hawked from every street corner, and saw its circulation multiply five times to 38,000. Zionism was "the only separate political philosophy sanctioned by the Third Reich."

The Zionist uniform was the only non-Nazi uniform allowed in Germany. Same with their flag. Hebrew was mandated in Jewish schools.

... by independent I mean non Jewish and non anti Semitic sources?
I take it by 'their flag' you mean the Blau und weiss and that their uniform was the yellow Star of David that all Jews throughout Germany and the countries that were invaded were forced to wear? The visibly protected status I assume were the Nuremburg Laws?
The Romans also had laws to 'protect' their slaves.

Thanks to Hitler, 60,000 German Jews emigrated to Israel between 1933 and 1941. Thanks to a "Transfer Agreement" between Nazis and Zionists, Jewish property valued at $100 million was transferred to Israel in the form of German industrial exports used to build Israel's infrastructure.

Hitler! The modern 'Father of Israel!'

Roy.