Forum Monk wrote:The Missoula floods would have drowned Texas, if Texas was in Oregon at the end of the LGM but it wasn't. So how do we tell Charlie he's sitting on the world's only evidence of Noah's flood? Guess this explains how them monkeys got to Texas.
The uncomformity between the two flood strata puzzles me?
It appears there were two major flooding episodes here locally: The first one being much more widespread.
Oops...you're right. But glaciers in the East must have melted and drained through the Mississippi basin the same way.
I've thought about that also Min, because that would be the closest river basin that runs from all the way up to the prior glacial boundary...unless an old river basin is buried under sediment somewhere? Maybe an old offshoot of the Mississippi...?
Charlie Hatchett wrote:Something certainly happened prior to 12,000 B.P. (14C). The wide spread gravel caps across central Texas are evidence to a catastrophe of huge proportions.
While it is certainly possible, a Mississippi flood could have affected eastern Texas, it is unlikey, to have reached higher than 100 meters. This would barely put modern Houston underwater. Charlie is talking about gravel caps at much higher elevations. His own site is well about 100 meters. What kind of catastrophic flood could lay down this gravel, and form this limestone bedrock?
Charlie Hatchett wrote:Something certainly happened prior to 12,000 B.P. (14C). The wide spread gravel caps across central Texas are evidence to a catastrophe of huge proportions.
While it is certainly possible, a Mississippi flood could have affected eastern Texas, it is unlikey, to have reached higher than 100 meters. This would barely put modern Houston underwater. Charlie is talking about gravel caps at much higher elevations. His own site is well about 100 meters. What kind of catastrophic flood could lay down this gravel, and form this limestone bedrock?
Yeah, the elevation of the limestone creekbed is ca. 226 meters. The limestone was laid down during the Cretaceous, when very shallow bay waters covered central Texas:
Local Triassic
Local Jurassic
Local Cretaceous
Cenozoic
As to the gravels, if they are in fact Pleistocene in age (according to conventional geology), then I don't have a clue. Massive amounts of water were involved in their deposition.
A flood of the Mississippi would include all of its tributaries, as well.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
Digit wrote:Limstone is damned unlikely to have formed under fresh water Monk so the elevation would have been below whatever sea level was at the time.
There's not enough water presently on the earth, or locked up in ice to raise the sea levels above 200 meters. I've run the programs already and we looked at the eastern portion of Texas under water at various sea levels. It never got to Charlie's site until we raised the level well beyond all practical limits.
That being the case Monk it would be reasonable to ask if the land has risen. Also of course Limestone often has recognisable fossils within it which should identify the layer as salt or fresh water, but most rivers and lakes don't last long enough to lay down much Limestone or Chalk.
Any idea as to the size of the gravel bed Charley?
It pretty much covers the entire limestone creek valley, which is about 200 meters wide, and the gravel stratum averages 2-3 meters thick. It runs pretty much the whole length of Brushy Creek until it comes off the Edwards Plateau onto the Blackland Praries, or ca. 12 miles. Could run longer, but that's all I've been able to determine without boring holes.
This can explain the limestone, but not the gravel layer:
The Edwards Plateau is an uplifted and elevated region originally formed from marine deposits of sandstone, limestone, shales, and dolomites 100 million years ago during the Cretaceous Period when this region was covered by an ocean. The western portion remains a relatively flat elevated plateau whereas the eastern portion known as the Hill Country is deeply eroded.
I'm providing a link to this because the photo is too big and it would crap up the board but it is Monument Valley on the Arizona-Utah border. The whole area is full of these buttes which are the remains of the ancient sea bed. It's hard to see but right at the top there is a layer which is different from the majority of the column. It's hundreds of feet in the air as a result of uplifting.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
