marine archaeology

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:33 pm

Coffer dams are large boxes which keep water out of an excavation in a body of water. No bottom, no top,just "4 walls

thanks stan.

i would tend to agree with the following statement;

you'd need more than a 12 foot coffer dam to accomplish much at the edge of the continental shelf. I'm not a diver but I think that the practical limit for scuba equipment is not all that deep.

as that area is full of rip tides and other hazards

Archaeology departments at major universities are dominated by 'dusty shoe' archaeology professors who know about digs on dry land, not underwater

this can change in time but i think that the value of what can be gained in comparison to what is spent may not be on equal footing. for the most part, my side would benefit the most of any underwater discovery yet i wouldn't push anyone to go where it is too dangerous and excavate.

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:49 pm

Technology has come a long way in this area. Somebody has to be doing the funding. Beginning with Jaques Couteau, and then Ballard. It seems to me that National Geographic has been involved already.

I think they can be counted on for future marine exploration. Most of mans prehistory is underwater.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:18 pm

Please tell the rest of the club,

sure
and you can tell all the dickheads who think there is one that their cover has been blown
deal ?

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:59 pm

I was always taught that it is more polite to say "thanks for your input" than "go fuck yourself." I told you: 3 strikes and you're out.

So, thanks for your input.

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:01 pm

Min, you are SO polite.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:11 pm

what does three strikes and you're out mean
are you saying you will no longer respond to my posts because you can't handle the truth
and youre the one saying the club is hiding the truth
what you mean is you don't know what the truth is and can't accept it when youre told it because it doesnt fit in with your grumpy old man ignorance is bliss belief system
anyway
hooray
cya

now if i can just get Arch to agree to do the same it will be a better world
oh beagle
youre on two strikes by the way
roflmao

john · Post by **john** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:26 pm

marduk wrote:what does three strikes and you're out mean
are you saying you will no longer respond to my posts because you can't handle the truth
and youre the one saying the club is hiding the truth
what you mean is you don't know what the truth is and can't accept it when youre told it because it doesnt fit in with your grumpy old man ignorance is bliss belief system
anyway
hooray
cya

now if i can just get Arch to agree to do the same it will be a better world
oh beagle
youre on two strikes by the way
roflmao

all -

sounds to me like a major (and unjustified) territorial disagreement about "ownership" rights to this hyar cyber-house. i call bullshit. go pee off your own front porch, or better yet pee on your computer, if you're into that kind of territoriality.

intellectual property has no boundaries, and no owners, and no landlords - despite what the petty lords of commerce shrill about.

i thought this forum was about communication.

john

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:46 pm

Marduk - you're way past three strikes son, but you have such immense entertainment value.

But some good advice:

Get a job.

Ask your Dr. about Lithium Carbonate.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:52 pm

I have a job
Beagle some advice
get a brain
you're sadly lacking without one

Roberto · Post by **Roberto** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:04 am

[quote="marduk"]
Beagle some advice
get a brain

"If HE only had a brain!"
Darn .......
Hey, I know what you can do!
GO SEE THE WIZARD! ........
Follow the Yellow Brick Road,
Follow the Yellow Brick Road.

He's off to see the WIZARD,
THE WONDERFUL WIZARD OF OZ!

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:16 am

Hi Roberto - I don't know which of us you're posting to, but you have a good day.

stan · Post by **stan** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:16 am

OK, back to the thread.

O,ye of little faith!!

Nothing will happen if everybody just keeps bringing up all the
negatives....

Someday someone will figure out a way to do it, and I'll say
"I told ya so."
How come you guys keep misreading my posts? I didn't say
"the EDGE of the continental shelf." It might be in shallow water, maybe a large bay where tides and surf are not so great. .

http://www.thc.state.tx.us/lasalle/lasbellephoto.html

This is the best example I could find of a ship excavation with cofferdam.
You see, it is possible.

Not all archeological decisions aremade by college professors. there are plenty of commercial archeologists for hire by all kinds of companies and government agencies at the national, state, and local levels, who will dig up whatever anyone is willing to pay for.

Post by **Minimalist** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:45 am

Stan,

If there was a long period of stability in sea levels at the LGM it is reasonable to assume that if there were cities they would be near that coastline. Even today, to their danger, as the tsunami and Katrina pointed out, people tend to live near the sea. As the sea rose the survivors would have had to withdraw to higher ground, but their largest monuments should have been at or near the low water line.

Hancock throws in earthquakes and volcanism as part of his meltdown scenario, based on the earth rebounding upward from the weight of the ice being removed. If there is anything to the idea then you have the possibility/probability of those coastlines being hit by tsunamis as well.

By the time the survivors got back to the modern coastline they would have been a sorry band, indeed. That's his theory anyway.

stan · Post by **stan** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:58 pm

Minimalist
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:45 am Post subject:
Stan,

If there was a long period of stability in sea levels at the LGM it is reasonable to assume that if there were cities they would be near that coastline. Even today, to their danger, as the tsunami and Katrina pointed out, people tend to live near the sea. As the sea rose the survivors would have had to withdraw to higher ground, but their largest monuments should have been at or near the low water line.

Hancock throws in earthquakes and volcanism as part of his meltdown scenario, based on the earth rebounding upward from the weight of the ice being removed. If there is anything to the idea then you have the possibility/probability of those coastlines being hit by tsunamis as well.

By the time the survivors got back to the modern coastline they would have been a sorry band, indeed. That's his theory anyway.

I realize that the coastlines have been battered and that there have been earthquakes...and a lot of stuff may have been jumbled or destroyed.
But how deep does the destruction go?
What if you can find a few places where the zone of disturbance is 10 feet or so, or even places where modern currents are removing sand instead of piling it up, and you could go down to a series of layers of undisturbed sediments....I would think these could be found by core samples.

The red sea findings showed a beautiful sequence of layers revealing thousands of years of habitation....I am thinking of reaching such layers underneath coastal waters. How far out? Don't know.

Post by **Minimalist** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:07 pm

How far out? Don't know.

That is the big question when you are dealing with an ocean.