marine archaeology

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:07 pm

i have not checked to see if this has been done before but since we have used evidence from under the sea in the noah's flood thread, and since i just came across this website about a 'dig' inthe black sea, i thought it would be nice to just discuss discoveries from underwater.

this is not a noah's ark part 2, and again i am not thinking of turning it into a religious discussion. it would be nice to see, read, discuss and so on different underwater discoveries that shed light upon the ancient past.

schoch has mentioned the discovery off india, ryan and pitman the black sea and ballard, whereever. so what do we know of what has been discovered and it can be in any part of the world to start off here is a link to that site i mentioned:

http://www.archaeology.org/interactive/ ... intro.html

it may be a little young but it is a start

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:37 pm

they even have a forum
but no ones answering my question
the narrow minded bastards

http://www.archaeological.org/forums/fo ... forumid=26

oh and if anyone mentions that side scan sonar is a valid tool for finding underwater cities I will scream

Post by **Minimalist** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:46 pm

I'm glad to see someone is doing it. Obviously, such examinations are far more costly and dangerous than excavations on land.

What's wrong with side scan? With any sort of sonar the best you can hope for is to detect an anomaly that you have to then do down and explore. In person if possible, by robot if necessary. It has been very useful for finding shipwrecks but for every correct finding then get a pile of false alarms.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:19 am

What's wrong with side scan

i will go along with that question.

but no ones answering my question

your signature probably overwhelms them.

Essan · Post by **Essan** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:13 am

I agree with Min - a side scan sonar can pick up anomalies which may require further investiagtion.

Of course, a sonar anomaly by itself is evidence of nothing at all ... and most definitely doesn't prove the location of Atlantis

http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com/arti ... yprus1.htm

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:18 am

In his press conference Sarmast explained that they used side-scan sonar technology brought in from the UK to explore the earmarked area.

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from Sarmasts website

And they handed it down from the Egyptians, who were known in the ancient world as the best keepers of history

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Post by **Minimalist** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:45 am

Now you are blaming the tool for the hand that wields it.

If I am using a studfinder on my kitchen wall and, when it beeps I declare that I have found gold in the wall, the problem is mine....not the studfinder's!

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:54 am

ah but side scan sonar is used repeatedly by people claiming to have found lost cities under the sea without a single piece of solid evidence
It was claimed to have been used to draw this picture of the cuban anomaly

"Hi-tech sonar equipment aboard the 'Ulises', a vessel owned by Canadian firm Advanced Digital Communications (ADC), detected a several-kilometre square area of what appear to be roads, pyramids and other building structures at a depth of 2,200 feet."
Andrew Collins (professional idiot)
http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/artic ... iscuba.htm
funnily enough it was on the strength of Andrews crap about this subject that caused him to be hired by the A.R.E. to promote the fraud they had committed in Bimini

it was also used to claim that the sunken city in the bay of cambray existed when all they had as evidence was a few pieces of wood
its been used to claim the existence of pyramids on the ocean floor a few times all over the world as well

its not like theres no precedent
Robert Sarmast is just the latest in a long line of crackpots claiming to have found something with something incapable of finding it

Post by **Minimalist** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:23 am

ah but side scan sonar is used repeatedly by people claiming to have found lost cities under the sea without a single piece of solid evidence

Irrelevant. It was also used by Ballard to find the Titanic and the Bismark.

Again. All it can show is an anomaly. If someone makes asinine comments based on that it is not the fault of the tool but of the person using it.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:50 am

Ballard knew the last recorded position of the Titanic not from 1912 either
these guys don't know the position of undersea cities
yet they claim they do all the same

and Robert Ballard didn't find the Titanic with Sonar
the Royal Navy did

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:20 pm

but side scan sonar is used repeatedly by people claiming to have found lost cities under the sea without a single piece of solid evidence

i think he proved your point with this quote. i don't think it is the tool's fault but the operator's.

Ballard knew the last recorded position of the Titanic not from 1912 either

that doesn't make sense.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:24 pm

that doesn't make sense.

then maybe you should research why the Royal Navy who first discovered the location of the Titanic in 1977 didn't tell the public
and just exactly how ballard found it so easily

with his side scan sonar
rofl
btw Arch
do you know what the effective range is for side scan sonar
and do you know what depth the titanic is at
maybe you should check rather than take Mins word for it eh

Post by **Minimalist** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:59 pm

From National Geographic

The hard work of prying secrets from the sea has begun. Following yesterday’s launch of the side-scan sonar “fish,” the DSL-120, the mission has been thrown in high gear. Three watches—working four-hour shifts every 12 hours—man control room operations 24 hours a day.

It’s now 8:45 a.m. The third watch monitors sonar sea-floor map data. Bob Marley grooves on a stereo (with Civil War era folk songs, Bob Dylan, and Elvis Presley to follow).

Yesterday, the team intercepted precisely the kind of geologic feature they were looking for—fragments a meandering river channel. “There were three geologists on the watch,” Ballard says. No doubt about it. (Ballard believes such topographic features would be a natural choice for pre-flood Paleolithic peoples to settle.)

Apparently, Ballard still uses it....but then he uses robots with cameras as a follow up.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:51 pm

there was a lot more going on with the Titanic than made it into the movie Bob

Barracuda · Post by **Barracuda** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:24 pm

Now we're talking! Pirates! Treasure! Just up my alley!

My Dad started SCUBA diving back in the Early 60's when the sport was new. We were still living in Izmir, Turkey, and the bay was littered in artifacts, mostly amphorae, because hardly anyone had ever been down there. The Turks used to watch him surface to make sure he wasn't stealing anything, so most of the time I never got to see any of it, because I had to stay in the boat.

I started diving in the 70's down in the Florida Keys. I never found anything, but I met Mel Fisher. I could have gone to work for him. Of course, he didn't pay money, just shares, and it was another five years until he found the Atocha. Don't think I could have lived that long on Tequila and orange juice.

Lately I am keeping up with Odyssey Marine Exploration. They claim to know where the HMS Sussex is. They also claim it is loaded with billions in gold bullion. Right now you can buy share for OMR for about $2.28. That is going thru the roof if they get permission from the Spanish government to salvage the wreck, and if the gold is really on board. It hit $7 back when they found the wreck of a steamship full of gold bullion that sunk on the way to New Orleans after rthe Civil War

Kinda sad, my idea of adventure used to be diving for sunken treasure in shark infested waters, and now my idea of risk is playing the stock market. Oh well, tis the season for the Great White Sharks to return to NORCAL, that always makes thing a little more interesting!