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Archaeologist Albert Goodyear is working on the find of his life.
Based on radiocarbon tests and artifacts he's found along the Savannah River in South Carolina, Goodyear believes that humans existed in North America as many as 50,000 years ago, shattering the long-held notion that the earliest settlers arrived here about 13,000 years ago in Alaska via a lost land bridge.
having a belief in the imaginery club is only going to hamper your efforts to be taken seriouslyExactly when the first group of people migrated into the Americas is subject to much debate. Recent archaeological finds suggest multiple waves of migration, some of which may have taken place as early as 40,000 BCE.
Is that why the club is going to let an amatuer get all the credit?having a belief in the imaginery club is only going to hamper your efforts to be taken seriously
because there isnt one
theres just qualified people who require actual evidence rather than speculation
That's great news - I haven't heard anything from the Topper site in a long time. Based on this brief interview, I feel sure he has the goods.Minimalist wrote:http://www.sptimes.com/2007/01/07/Neigh ... ind_.shtml
Archaeologist Albert Goodyear is working on the find of his life.
Based on radiocarbon tests and artifacts he's found along the Savannah River in South Carolina, Goodyear believes that humans existed in North America as many as 50,000 years ago, shattering the long-held notion that the earliest settlers arrived here about 13,000 years ago in Alaska via a lost land bridge.
Dr. Michael Collins and Dr. James Adovasio, for example, insist that they are entirely natural.
Dr. Michael Collins and Dr. James Adovasio, for example, insist that they are entirely natural.
I look at some of the Topper stuff, and it's no brainer stuff:That's what the Club always says.....it's their prime fall back position.
Thanks for the link, AD.
"He has a very old geologic formation, but I can't agree with his interpretation of those stones being man-made," said Michael Collins of the Texas Archeological Research Lab at the University of Texas at Austin. Collins disputes that the stone shards at the site show signs of human manipulation."
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/11 ... index.html
“Until Al publishes, it’s a just-so story,” says archaeologist Michael Collins of the University
of Texas at Austin. “I very much believe there were people in the Western hemisphere
before Clovis,” continues Collins, “but to say that much before Clovis is going to have to
come with a huge body of incontrovertible evidence. So we’re waiting.”
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:roN ... =clnk&cd=5
And then Goodyear's response:Mike Waters' statements to date:
Mike Waters, also a Topper site veteran, calls it “probably the best Clovis site in the Southeast.” As for pre-Clovis artifacts, he has “reservations. There’s a good possibility the fractures could have been produced by natural processes,” Waters says. He, too, is waiting on the analysis.
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:roN ... =clnk&cd=5
The Topper assemblage may be the result of human manufacture or may also be the result of natural thermal spalling. To investigate this question, the Center’s Digital Imaging Lab conducted a preliminary microscopic use-wear study on several specimens provided by Goodyear in 2003 from the pre-Clovis sediments. The results are equivocal. Chert from this area weathers rather quickly and the surface of these pieces is badly degraded. It appears as a thick white patina making such a study difficult at best. For example, the true degree of edge rounding is difficult to ascertain because the surface degradation affects the appearance of edges. In addition, linear indicators and polish that are visible lie on the weathered surface and one would suppose that ancient people would have used these pieces for tools before such weathering occurred.
http://www.centerfirstamericans.org/research.php
Refuting the geofact argument, Goodyear says that the area is a “low-energy environment.
The stream flow is very low, and it’s on a gentle hillside. The [items] are not burned, and
they’re not frozen. They have the classic marks of being smashed or struck. Where would
the energy come from in nature? Not from the stream, not from the hillside. So that implies
people did it.” Regarding the several scrapers found at Topper, he adds, “And can nature
create regularly placed pressure-flaked edges? You need two eyes and a hand with five digits
to do that.”
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:roN ... =clnk&cd=5
Your welcome, Min.Thanks, Charlie. Good reads.
"But beloved do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a 1000 years, and a 1000 years is as one day." (2Pet. 3:8)
I was told again last night that the bible says there is nothing on this earth older than 4004bce
Ahhh. The ol' Theory of Relativity at work.Quote:
"But beloved do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a 1000 years, and a 1000 years is as one day." (2Pet. 3:Cool
so taking 365 days x 1000 years = 365,000 years per stated biblical year
then you mutiply that by the 6011 years that have passed since 4004bce and you have
354,000 x 6011 = 2,073,795,000 years
You're right ... he put the creation of earth and the heavens at somewhere between 6000 to 8000bce as I recall.I was told again last night that the bible says there is nothing on this earth older than 4004bce
Hell. Even Arch wasn't that crazy.
