You've Got Competition, Charlie

[Minimalist]

Or maybe colleagues? Who can say?

http://wcco.com/local/local_story_012071945.html

Walker, Minn. Archaeologists have discovered stone tools atop a hill in this northern Minnesota town that may be 13,000 to 14,000 years old, according to a published report.

Mather said the site appears to be "much older" than the Clovis era of finely made spear points that defines the paleo-Indian period.

The find is "startling enough that appropriate response from every archaeologist and glacial geologist is skepticism." But, he added, a half-dozen archaeologists, soil scientists and others who have examined the site all say the artifacts are genuine.

[marduk]

right now i'm confused

a half-dozen archaeologists, soil scientists and others who have examined the site all say the artifacts are genuine.

so in your expert opinion as a consiracy theorist Min are these guys club members or what ?

[Cognito]

Walker, Minn. Archaeologists have discovered stone tools atop a hill in this northern Minnesota town that may be 13,000 to 14,000 years old, according to a published report.

Looks like the site has the potential to become the North American version of Monte Verde, if it's worked properly. No conspiracy here folks, move along!

[Charlie Hatchett]

Or maybe colleagues? Who can say?

http://wcco.com/local/local_story_012071945.html

Cool.

Thanks, Min.

We'll have to see if we can track down these guys, and see if they have some photos. Hammerstones, ey?

Mattson said the objects were found underneath a band of rock and gravel that appeared to have been deposited by melting glaciers and then covered by windblown sediment, Mather said.

The geologic setting seems similar to the situation here in central Texas: under glacial, or very heavy drainage deposits.

I like this part:

David Mather, state archaeologist for the National Register of Historic Places, said the find "is something off our radar. We didn't think it was even possible in Minnesota."

My kind of guy. He said screw it, and went for it anyway. A lot better than what can be said for his West Coast colleagues. Calico, Texas Street, and National City have been, for the most part, ignored by the "Orthodoxistas" (I picked that term out of Chris Hardaker's pocket). And then Hueyatlaco....

...may be 13,000 to 14,000 years old...

Yeah right, that's the Clovis period, and 500 years before. Playing it conservative to begin with. They'll get a lot more help that way.

[Minimalist]

My kind of guy. He said screw it, and went for it anyway

He'll never get into the Club with that attitude. Good man.

[Charlie Hatchett]

He'll never get into the Club with that attitude. Good man.

The Orthodoxistas are gonna have to jump party lines, or get left in the dust. More and more are apparently doing so. Thank God! Sorry, Min...

[Digit]

I'll tell you exactly what will happen eventually. Here, some years ago various artifacts etc where found at Boxgrove in southern England , the early researchers were even living in farm building begging for help. Then evidence on the site pushed the time scale way back and all of sudden the big names wanted to be associated with it.
Pre-clovis will have to be accepted eventually and the club will be falling over themselves to have their name associated with ever major discovery.
It's sickening!

[Charlie Hatchett]

It's sickening!

Right?

What happened to "a man being a man".

Wussies.

[Digit]

Simple Charlie. English Heritage eventually put in over one million pounds, he who pays the piper calls the tune, and imagine it's the same on your side of the pond.

[Charlie Hatchett]

Simple Charlie. English Heritage eventually put in over one million pounds, he who pays the piper calls the tune, and imagine it's the same on your side of the pond.

Yes sir. The mighty dollar/ pound. A great system would tie innovation to reward. Holding to the same ol' crap, no reward.

[Charlie Hatchett]

so in your expert opinion as a consiracy theorist Min are these guys club members or what ?

Settle down, "crouching tiger", there is validity to Min's belief...at least in N.A.

[Minimalist]

The Club gets entrenched and sits on their asses everywhere, Charlie. That's why it is necessary to question them. Got to keep them honest.

[marduk]

Settle down, "crouching tiger", there is validity to Min's belief...at least in N.A.

theres invalidity in his method though
did you do that letter to archaeology.org yet ?
you need me to provide some motivation you just let me know !

[Forum Monk]

Settle down, "crouching tiger", there is validity to Min's belief...at least in N.A.

theres invalidity in his method though
did you do that letter to archaeology.org yet ?
you need me to provide some motivation you just let me know !

Did Charlie post his letter in the Firearms... thread? It looks like it?

[marduk]

ah i didnt see that

A gentleman, on a forum I visit from time to time, was nice enough to provide a reference to the actual method employed

if anyone connects me to this gentleman I'll sue
Charlie I'm hoping you havent sent this yet
you were far too blatant with the handaxe pictures
you should have played show and tell with him first
(as in show him something but tell him nothing)
that would have got him interested
let me know what the current situation is
I'm quite experienced in playing with peoples heads who you need to do something for you via e mail
I have a pedigree at it (thats as close as a degree as you can get)