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Read the book again after many years. According to Heyerdahl wooden tablets with bearing incomprehensible hieroglyphs were found on Easter Islands by early white explorers. Where are they? Legend in Peru, by Heyerdahl, says the white, bearded "gods" which advanced their civilization and built giant stone monuments without the use of the wheel were attacked and almost all killed on an island on Lake Titicaca. Any of tis been looked into?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_Heyerdahl
The island you're referring to is the Isle del Sol in Lake Titicaca. Interesting that in Tiahuanaco their is a portal called the Gateway to the Sun, and then straight out on the lake one reaches the Island of the Sun, which was regarded as a holy site.
Hello gunny, here is a short bit from Wiki. Heyerdahl was one of the first to talk about Viracocha and his migration across the sea.Heyerdahl claimed that in Incan legend there was a sun-god named Con-Tici Viracocha who was the supreme head of the mythical fair-skinned people in Peru. The original name for Virakocha was Kon-Tiki or Illa-Tiki, which means Sun-Tiki or Fire-Tiki. Kon-Tiki was high priest and sun-king of these legendary "white men" who left enormous ruins on the shores of Lake Titicaca. The legend continues with the mysterious bearded white men being attacked by a chief named Cari who came from the Coquimbo Valley. They had a battle on an island in Lake Titicaca, and the fair race was massacred. However, Kon-Tiki and his closest companions managed to escape and later arrived on the Pacific coast. The legend ends with Kon-Tiki and his companions disappearing westward out to sea.
When the Spaniards came to Peru, Heyerdahl asserted, the Incas told them that the colossal monuments that stood deserted about the landscape were erected by a race of white gods who had lived there before the Incas themselves became rulers. The Incas described these "white gods" as wise, peaceful instructors who had originally come from the north in the "morning of time" and taught the Incas' primitive forefathers architecture as well as manners and customs. They were unlike other Native Americans in that they had "white skins and long beards" and were taller than the Incas. The Incas said that the "white gods" had then left as suddenly as they had come and fled westward across the Pacific. After they had left, the Incas themselves took over power in the country.
Heyerdahl said that when the Europeans first came to the Pacific islands, they were astonished that they found some of the natives to have relatively light skins and beards. There were whole families that had pale skin, hair varying in color from reddish to blonde, and almost Semitic, hook-nosed faces. In contrast, most of the Polynesians had golden-brown skin, raven-black hair, and rather flat noses. Heyerdahl claimed that when Jakob Roggeveen first discovered Easter Island in 1722, he supposedly noticed that many of the natives were white-skinned. Heyerdahl claimed that these people could count their ancestors who were "white-skinned" right back to the time of Tiki and Hotu Matua, when they first came sailing across the sea "from a mountainous land in the east which was scorched by the sun." The ethnographic evidence for these claims is outlined in Heyerdahl's book Aku Aku: The Secret of Easter Island.
The island you're referring to is the Isle del Sol in Lake Titicaca. Interesting that in Tiahuanaco their is a portal called the Gateway to the Sun, and then straight out on the lake one reaches the Island of the Sun, which was regarded as a holy site.
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marduk
if Heyerdhal actually said that then he was just advancing his pseudohistoric ideas about migration
the only genuine Incan accounts were written by the spanish and they didn't say the word "white" at all
I can if you like post the relevant text with the references
in the meantime you could read this website
http://donsmaps.com/gobustan.html
its about some rock Carvings found at Gobustan in Azerbaijan and how "ole" Thor was convinced that because of some similarities in carving that appear both at this site and scandanavia it meant that the same people were responsible for both
despite the fact that over 8000 years seperated the two instances
it was these carvings that later led Thor to try and prove that people could cross vast distances with a primitive technology
of course imo his original assumption was flawed
but read it all and decide for yourselves
the only genuine Incan accounts were written by the spanish and they didn't say the word "white" at all
I can if you like post the relevant text with the references
in the meantime you could read this website
http://donsmaps.com/gobustan.html
its about some rock Carvings found at Gobustan in Azerbaijan and how "ole" Thor was convinced that because of some similarities in carving that appear both at this site and scandanavia it meant that the same people were responsible for both
despite the fact that over 8000 years seperated the two instances
it was these carvings that later led Thor to try and prove that people could cross vast distances with a primitive technology
of course imo his original assumption was flawed
but read it all and decide for yourselves
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Sam Salmon
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The script that Heyerdahl saw is called RongoRongo.
Some info here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rongorongo
Some info here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rongorongo
Steve you're much more clued up on this than me. When I read Kon-Tiki the bit that most impressed me was his assertion that the home of the coconut palm was south America and cannot survive immersion in salt water. The implication being of course that the spread of the palm across the pacific needed the help of man.
I think we can discount birds in this instant!
I think we can discount birds in this instant!
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Right.
It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.
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marduk
actually a study done in Hawaii in 1941 proved that coconuts could survive immersion in sea water with their germinating capability intact for up to 4 to 6 weeksSteve you're much more clued up on this than me. When I read Kon-Tiki the bit that most impressed me was his assertion that the home of the coconut palm was south America and cannot survive immersion in salt water
after that bacteria entered the germinating pores and killed the sprout
there are a lot of tiny islands in the south pacific which had coconuts
who is saying that coconuts somewhere are impossible Roy
I see you have the origin as S America
what is the mystery destination ?
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marduk
well thats the thing isn't it
when you normally look at a map of the south pacific it shows just the larger islands.
theres thousands of islands dotted all over the place that aren't large enough to support human life which arent mentioned
they are large enough to support coconuts though
and I think that Heyerdhal may have been talking out of his ass anyway because the coconut evolved in southeast asia about 20 million years ago
because we know that inside that time frame humans walked to the americas possibly carrying coconuts with them so no matter what way you look at it
theres no mystery here
when you normally look at a map of the south pacific it shows just the larger islands.
theres thousands of islands dotted all over the place that aren't large enough to support human life which arent mentioned
they are large enough to support coconuts though
and I think that Heyerdhal may have been talking out of his ass anyway because the coconut evolved in southeast asia about 20 million years ago
because we know that inside that time frame humans walked to the americas possibly carrying coconuts with them so no matter what way you look at it
theres no mystery here
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marduk
Heyerdhal in many ways was a genius
and its often the problem with such people that where they might be a genius in one area they are not in another
they just think they are
Edmund Halley for instance believed that the earth was hollow and inhabited
his ideas about the origins of certain Flora and Fauna and also mythology are a good example of what I mean
and its often the problem with such people that where they might be a genius in one area they are not in another
they just think they are
Edmund Halley for instance believed that the earth was hollow and inhabited
his ideas about the origins of certain Flora and Fauna and also mythology are a good example of what I mean
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoconutDigit wrote:Steve you're much more clued up on this than me. When I read Kon-Tiki the bit that most impressed me was his assertion that the home of the coconut palm was south America and cannot survive immersion in salt water. The implication being of course that the spread of the palm across the pacific needed the help of man.
I think we can discount birds in this instant!
Everything you want to know about a coconut.
Re: KON-TIKI
Hello gunny. I hope between Sam and I we got your questions answered. Thor Heyerdahl was a pioneer for sure.gunny wrote:Read the book again after many years. According to Heyerdahl wooden tablets with bearing incomprehensible hieroglyphs were found on Easter Islands by early white explorers. Where are they? Legend in Peru, by Heyerdahl, says the white, bearded "gods" which advanced their civilization and built giant stone monuments without the use of the wheel were attacked and almost all killed on an island on Lake Titicaca. Any of tis been looked into?
