Afrca to N. Europe to Japan: the Jomon & Anu - Ainu Ques

[PaulMarcW]

http://www.beforebc.de/600_fareast/03-16-600-00-08.html

The lower legend reads:

LEGEND: There are some traditions or even words that are highly confined in space and time. The word “Anu” is one such term which flashed through the neolithic sky of time leaving a comet trail in its wake from Africa to Japan? New York and New England were given those names by European settlers from York and England.

By the same token, there are at least five African names to be found in the homeland of the Ainu: 1) Shari, 2) Saru, 3) Azawa, 4) EDO, the old capitol of Japan and now called Kyoto. Edo is an African tribe with the same kind of masks used in Japanese Kuboki theatre, and 5) Anu. The question here is, “Are the Ainu of Japan descendents of the Anu of Africa?”

For that to be so, there must be an Anu presence halfway between Africa and Japan and there was. Britannica encyclopdia writes: “The Kekayas, Madras, and Usinaras, who had settled in the region between Gandhara and the Beas River, were described as descendants of the Anu tribe.” Yet, there should be an Anu half the distance between India and Africa and there was. The high god in the Mesopotamian pantheon was Anu. The Ainu of Japan would necessarily midway arise from the Anu of Central Asia above-mentioned. And it was from nearby Korea near India that a people came to Japan near 400 BC calling themselves the Ainu and they replaced the Jomon.

In each instance, the name bears similar meaning of "true men," “the real people” “eternal” or "eternal.” Can the Ainu of Japan, whose name has the meaning as "the real people" (as with the Khoi Khoi – so in the same geographical region in Africa and perhaps intermingling), trace their origins to the Anu of Africa? Are they one people?

[War Arrow]

I would imagine that there are very many names in the homeland of the Ainu and surely it would be more surprising if none of them bore any resemblance to any word in any other language? Furthermore, cultural groups who give themselves names amounting to true people / real people / human beings do not strike me as particularly unusual.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing here, but wonder how you would counter these points.

[PaulMarcW]

Hello WA. I think you raise valid questions and would only say that I posed the web page as an inquiry and provided information that is food for thought.

I'd like to pursue these issues over the next some years and see if there is more supportive evidence I can find documenting a substantive relationship between Japan and Africa; but in the above regard, during Neolithic times.

Is there additional material and will I be able to accomplish that end? Maybe yes. Maybe no.

[Ishtar]

Hi Paul Marc

We've discussed this issue - the Ainu and the Anu - and I'd be happy to do so again. John knows a lot about the Ainu, Beagle is an expert on Out of Africa and I could provide you with information that you don't appear to have about the Anu tribe in India of which I have some knowledge from Indian historians and also from my study of the Vedas.

I'm more than happy to freely do this in the spirit of a genuine debate between enthusiasts for the same subject, which is what goes on this board. But I would first of all need some reassurance from you that you're just not posing this 'food for thought' in order to download what's in our heads and then taking the contents of what you learn here and copyrighting it all under you own name. I feel uncomfortable that you seem to be trying to copyright ideas that are already out there.

I think it would be a good start if you could come on to the Guest Book section and properly introduce yourself.

[Forum Monk]

The idea of "black" origins of the Ainu of Japan and in fact of all east asians, fits in very nicely with the Judeo-Christian flood legend as the descendants of Ham. This same concept has been extended mostly by white racists, that Noah's curse on the descendants of Ham results in the god-ordained, disparity of justice seen among dark skinned peoples today. This kind of thinking has been exploited by all sorts of extremists and should be rejected.

Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on your world-view, this little thing called genetics tends to upset and complicate the simplistic view of the early judeo-christians. Genetics also complicates the whole "out of africa" theory as one sees the "sudden" appearance of new haplotypes which have yet to be understood as to their origins.

I find it very interesting but confess minimal scientific knowedge of genetics.

[PaulMarcW]

Ishtar. I followed your suggestion and did introduce myself in your Guest Book.

[Beagle]

http://www.beforebc.de/600_fareast/03-16-600-00-08.html

The lower legend reads:

LEGEND: There are some traditions or even words that are highly confined in space and time. The word “Anu” is one such term which flashed through the neolithic sky of time leaving a comet trail in its wake from Africa to Japan? New York and New England were given those names by European settlers from York and England.

By the same token, there are at least five African names to be found in the homeland of the Ainu: 1) Shari, 2) Saru, 3) Azawa, 4) EDO, the old capitol of Japan and now called Kyoto. Edo is an African tribe with the same kind of masks used in Japanese Kuboki theatre, and 5) Anu. The question here is, “Are the Ainu of Japan descendents of the Anu of Africa?”

For that to be so, there must be an Anu presence halfway between Africa and Japan and there was. Britannica encyclopdia writes: “The Kekayas, Madras, and Usinaras, who had settled in the region between Gandhara and the Beas River, were described as descendants of the Anu tribe.” Yet, there should be an Anu half the distance between India and Africa and there was. The high god in the Mesopotamian pantheon was Anu. The Ainu of Japan would necessarily midway arise from the Anu of Central Asia above-mentioned. And it was from nearby Korea near India that a people came to Japan near 400 BC calling themselves the Ainu and they replaced the Jomon.

In each instance, the name bears similar meaning of "true men," “the real people” “eternal” or "eternal.” Can the Ainu of Japan, whose name has the meaning as "the real people" (as with the Khoi Khoi – so in the same geographical region in Africa and perhaps intermingling), trace their origins to the Anu of Africa? Are they one people?

Hello Marc

I gather that you're going by Paul Marc in this forum. You don't know me as Beagle. I must say, that your use of the term dolicephalic is inaccurate, except in the case of Dmanasi. Regional adaptations were well in place by 400,000 yrs. ago, where mesocephalic and brachycephalic morphology was apparent. Those terms are just not used any more.

I disagree with most of your conclusions and your afrocentric views, but you should look at the evidence from Pedra Furada, and the rock art found there - in that area. Your friend Clyde Winters will be more certain of his views about Tiahuanaco when you share that, but I still disagree.

You might explain to the folks here that the pics are marred pending copyright. You're a nice fellow, even if you are wrong.

Welcome to the forum Marc.

[Ishtar]

You might explain to the folks here that the pics are marred pending copyright.

That's obvious, Beagle. What I don't understand is, how can he copyright pictures that are not his own?

[Beagle]

You might explain to the folks here that the pics are marred pending copyright.

That's obvious, Beagle. What I don't understand is, how can he copyright pictures that are not his own?

He can't! He doesn't have permission yet, which is part of the copyright process. I thought you worked in this industry in some fashion.

Marc is being mentored by Clyde Winters, who is a professor and author from the UK. Clyde knows something about publishing books.

If that nonsense that you're doing on your avatar is to belittle Marc in some way - don't bother being ashamed of yourself. I'm doing that for you.

[MichelleH]

Being re-posted from the Comments board:

IMHO the posts look like photo scans for presentation posters at a lecture or seminar. Is it possible it is not the pictures being claimed as copyright, but the content and chart design or the presentation itself?

Just a thought…..
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[Ishtar]

Being re-posted from the Comments board:

IMHO the posts look like photo scans for presentation posters at a lecture or seminar. Is it possible it is not the pictures being claimed as copyright, but the content and chart design or the presentation itself?

Just a thought…..
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Well, that would make more sense, Michelle.

Beagle, I do work in this industry and so in my experience, when people marr a photo it is because they don't want others to be able to freely download it without contacting them first, either to pay for the photo or to gain the owner's permission to download.

This is anathema to me - unless Marc owns the pictures, which he doesn't. He also freely downloaded them from somewhere ...

If this is not what Marc is doing, and it's all just a misundering it would be good if he could explain that to us. So far, he hasn't ... and although he has now contributed in the Guest Book section, both FM and myself have asked him questions on other aspects of his work which he still hasn't answered.

So maybe it'sa communication problem - but whatever it is, it is nothing to be ashamed about. So if you're feeling shame for me, that's your problem. The intention is not to belittle - it's meant as a joke and actually quite a compliment too, to him, that we are giving him this much attention.

[Ishtar]

Copied from Guestbook

Someone has PM-ed me to say that they think what Marc means is that he is marring the photos pending his own application for permission to use them. This, however, is not how it reads – and if this is the case, it’s a mis communication from which I and others have made the wrong inference.

Copyright on the internet is a murky area and tends to vary from country to country. In this case however, unless Marc expects to profit from his website, his use of the photos would probably come under Fair Use and Fair Dealing, and thus not require the owner’s permission.

Marc has told us that he is only an interested amateur, after all.

But in any case, he has no need to marr his photos. He only has to put “Copyright applied for” and everyone would know what it means. At the moment, it’s ambiguous. He also wouldn’t then be liable if someone did decide to download them and break the copyright.

Here’s Wiki’s take on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright# ... ir_dealing

Fair use and fair dealing

Main articles: Fair use and Fair dealing

Copyright does not prohibit all copying or replication. In the United States, the fair use doctrine, codified by the Copyright Act of 1976 as 17 U.S.C. § 107, permits some copying and distribution without permission of the copyright holder or payment to same. The statute does not clearly define fair use, but instead gives four non-exclusive factors to consider in a fair use analysis. Those factors are:

1. the purpose and character of the use;
2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.[10]

In the United Kingdom and many other Commonwealth countries, a similar notion of fair dealing was established by the courts or through legislation. The concept is sometimes not well defined; however in Canada, private copying for personal use has been expressly permitted by statute since 1999. In Australia, the fair dealing exceptions under the Copyright Act 1968 (Cth) are a limited set of circumstances under which copyrighted material can be legally copied or adapted without the copyright holder's consent. Fair dealing uses are research and study; review and critique; news reportage and the giving of professional advice (ie legal advice).

[Forum Monk]

The intention is not to belittle - it's meant as a joke and actually quite a compliment too, to him, that we are giving him this much attention.

(I find myself agreeing with Ishtar way too much lately but ) I agree with Ishtar.

Paul Marc has fostered a lot of attention with very little contribution. I am still hoping to discuss his ideas with him. I personally think there is some truth to his ideas but until now we have had very little discussion about it.

(EDIT: I am going let the post remain "as is" but after posting it realize now redundant I was. Sheesh.)

[Ishtar]

(EDIT: I am going let the post remain "as is" but after posting it realize now redundant I was. Sheesh.)

Your point still stands, FM.

It's very unusual for someone to start five new threads on here and then seem reluctant to get involved in any discussions about them.

That's why I wondered if we were being used for market research.

I think Marc did say, somewhere, that he doesn't communicate so well with words and prefers pictures. As I am much more of a wordsmith and not so good with pictures, we're probably due for some very interesting run-ins!

[Minimalist]

I think Marc did say, somewhere, that he doesn't communicate so well with words

I've read through his web site and I disagree. Paul, your ideas come through just fine. I may not agree with everything but it isn't because you are vague.