The Big Bangs

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The Big Bangs

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Since we don't have a "Whole World" heading, and this is mostly from the perspective in India. A surprisingly good account (IMHO) :

http://riverjournal.com/vivvo/other_wor ... 62010.html

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This should be in the Mythology .....Folklore Forum.
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i'd say this quote alone puts it into "Everything Else". It just wouldn't go with the Myth forum.
The first is the evidence for a nuclear war in India long before the time of the pharaohs of Egypt. It was in the Paleoindian era, no earlier than 8,000 to 9,000 years ago or about 7000 BC. (Also about the time that alternative science dates the forerunner of ancient Egypt, but that’s a topic for our next column.)
So where is all the plutonium and uranium in India if there was a nuclear war just a few thousand years ago?
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I was thinking more "Folklore" which is what the vedas are. They were written between 1500-1000 BC and purport to explain events that happened thousands of years earlier. That puts them in the same category as the Egyptian tales of the time of the gods. They are also supposed to be the "revealed word of god" ( where have I heard THAT before) and so on.
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Yeah, that i can agree with, but i have to admit, if these folks were on Art Bell i would listen.
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dannan14 wrote:So where is all the plutonium and uranium in India if there was a nuclear war just a few thousand years ago?
Yep: half-life, radiation, and fall-out echo and all that...

Nice fairy tale.
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It's you guys who are functioning in the fairy tale mode. Seriously.

You've processed the data, and responded with the file heading you're used to keeping it in.

Which says everything about you, and nothing about the data.

By what arcane conceptual alchemy does measurable radioactivity and vitreous fusing morph -- before your very eyes -- into "mythology" ? Just choose the right term to file it under, and Poof ! It's gone !!

(And more importantly -- can I use it to waive away the bank's evidence that I've overdrawn my account ?)
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You'll need more than 'conspiracy' or 'the-aliens-have-landed' web sites to sustain this one, uni.

http://jcolavito.tripod.com/lostcivilizations/id9.html
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Belief is immune to reason, to common sense, and even to experience.

It over-rides everything. We agree on this.

While disparaging me as a "believer" in this, you're doing so from a default setting that dismisses anything and everything incongruous with the assumption set it entails as some mere "belief."

This is BELIEF in action, Min !

I.e., Yours dismissing evidence that contradicts your sense of certainty about the past and what happened in it.
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If you show "evidence" ( i.e. not the rantings of guys who want to sell books) I'll be glad to look at it. When I run this stuff through google all that comes back is whackjob web sites. A rough equivalent are the Noah's Ark-eologists. They always find the "ark" too.

Now, I grant you that conspiracy-theorists have a built in reason why no one takes them seriously: It's a CONSPIRACY! But I always remember what Bill Maher said about so-called government conspiracies: "The government isn't up to it.....the government can't deliver the mail."

No main stream scientists have been intrigued enough by this stuff to do an actual investigation? That would be one hell of a conspiracy.
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The statements about the archaeological excavations, the radioactivity levels, the birth defects and the vitreous fusion of the rocks -- there and elsewhere -- are either factual or they're not. There either was a Russian team investigating there, or there wasn't. It either wrote a report, or it didn't.

There either is evidence of a bunch of what seem to have been "thermonuclear events" around 11,000 BC, or there weren't. I think you're cruising past these with your eyes closed.

What your critique boils down to, as I hear it, is something like "Nobody else I regard as credible is talking about it. And the ones who are are head cases who would likely believe anything. Therefore, on the basis of guilt by association, there's nothing to it." The responses of others have decided it for me."

But you know what ? You've seen what happens to academics who get out of line. Might that in itself not explain why nobody in their milleau is anxious to contradict the paradigm ?

And if so, where is your objection ??

Everybody always wants to install their worldview as tantamount to the last word on reality.

But it's not.
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Belief is immune to reason, to common sense, and even to experience.
Absolutely! And it is you of course that is in 'belief mode'.
Let's assume that the writer is correct about nuclear war all those years ago. Tell me please, where is all the infrastructure for the production of weapon's grade material, where are the mines that produced the ore, where did they get the explosive initiator material from, where are the chemical plants to produce that explosive, how did they make the casing that would withstand that initial blast, how did they synchronise that initial blast?
nothing about the data.
What data? What did I miss?

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uniface wrote: There either is evidence of a bunch of what seem to have been "thermonuclear events" around 11,000 BC, or there weren't. I think you're cruising past these with your eyes closed.
Eyes closed to what? There is no evidence. You are aware of the actual length of half-lives of the various isotopes of plutonium and uranium, aren't you? Had there been a nuclear war only 11kya the evidence would be all over the affected area. There would be a layer with such fallout throughout much of the world. It isn't there.
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Out of curiosity where would I find these books in my local libary, under fiction or non-fiction! :roll:

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On the same shelf you would have found "Clovis Was Not First" twenty years ago.

And "Ice Age Man in North America" before that.
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