Another Holocene Start Impact Account

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi all -

I see from today's news that many people are still confused by the
extinctions caused by the Holocene Start Impacts. Its really pretty
easy, as Elephants need 450 pounds of food a day.

Perhaps the following will explain it better.

ASSINIBOINE (NAKOTA) IMPACT ACCOUNTS

I spent some time reading through Adrienne Mayor's book "Fossil
Legends of the First Americans" recently. It turns out that the
Assiniboine (Nakota) may have remembered at least one of those floods.
Mayor's book is pretty good, and she nearly succeeds in spanning the
two worlds, but sadly she did not realize that the peoples remembered
impacts, and thus failed to entirely grasp fundamental concepts like
"uktena" and "tlanwa". Mayor also retells the traditions with her
intense interest in fossils coloring her retellings, and it is tough
using her book to locate the original traditions as they were first
shared. However, that said, it is a pretty good book.

THE NAKOTA (ASSINIBOINE) ACCOUNTS IN MAYOR'S RETELLING

Fragment 1:

"One Assiniboine name for bones of monstrous size was "Wau-wau-kah".
This was a "half spirit, half animal" imagined as a great river monster
with long black[?]hair, scales, and horns like trees.
"Myth [tradition - epg] tells of its death by the impact of a
"thunder stone", a black ["black" due to the ablated surfaces of the
meteorites which the Nakota later collected. - epg], projectile that
came whistling out of the west with "terrible velocity", "defeaning
noise", and "a bright flash" - a scenario that seems akin to the modern
theory of an asteroid impact 65 million years ago [Mayor gets very
close here - epg]. "My bones may be found", warned the Water Monster
Wau-wau-kah, but unless the Assiniboines made offerings to its spirit,
the monster vowed to create disastrous floods and block their trails
with its colossal bones."

Fragment 2:

"A tale [tradition - epg] of the antagonism between Thunder and Water
Monsters was recounted by an Assiniboine story teller [tradition keeper
- epg] (perhaps Coming Day? - AM) in 1909 at Fort Belknap.
"Long ago, some Sioux and Assiniboines camping at a big lake
witnessed a battle between Thunder Bird and a Water Monster on an
island in the lake."

The storyteller's grandmother had told him that: "as the Thunder Bird
drew the writhing monster up from the island, the Indians' hair and
their horses manes, [a non-temporal insertion - epg] stood on end from
the electricity.

["electricity" is another non-temporal insertion. Perhaps it may also
be a modern simple telling of a large electrophorenic effect from the
impactors entries. In regards to the "horses manes", it needs to be
noted that a rider on a horse in the plains is a high point that will
attract lightening, much as a golfer standing on a gold course will,
and thus it was very important to know the signs of an impending
lightening strike.]

"The Thunder Bird's lightening ignited raging forest fires; then a
long terrible blizzard followed; and still later the lake bed dried up
and many kinds of animals perished there."

"The raging forest fires" were likely caused by the infrared of
multiple impacts. "the long terrible blizzard" describes the a standard
severe climate collapse caused by atmospheric impact dust loading.
"the Lake" of the Assiniboine is as yet unlocated; but see below.
south ("forest fires").

Why did that lake dry up? Either its ice damn failed ("disastrous
floods", above), or there was a lack of precipitation due to a cooling
of the temperature of the Pacific Current.

"The many kinds of animals" likely perished due to lack of food, a
famine which appears as a common element in many of the First Peoples'
memories of the Holocene Start Impacts.

WHERE WAS THE LAKE? and
WHO WERE THE ASSINIBOINES' ANCESTORS?

Here was the problem:
http://uonews.uoregon.edu/archive/news- ... -seafaring

"The points and crescents are similar to artifacts found in the Great Basin and Columbia Plateau areas, including pre-Clovis levels at Paisley Caves in eastern Oregon."

You have maritime cultures moving inland, essentially still living on clams, fish, and marsh birds. The dates are pre-clovis.

(And thus before the Holocene Start Impacts, which are well evidenced by a global distribution of impact products, including impact products distributed by the atmosphere and recovered from glaciers. (currently estimated ca. 10,750 BCE)

Now here's the Great Basin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Basin
And here's the Columbia Plateau:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_Plateau

And here's Paisley Caves, near one dried up ice age lake:
http://www.donsmaps.com/coproliteevidence.html

Notice the mt A haplogroup (siouxian) and the mt B haplogroup (asian origin, Assiniboine Nakota)? found there:
http://archaeology.about.com/b/2008/04/ ... an-dna.htm

Now all I need is a map of all of the western glacial lakes of the late pleistocene, with which I could then compare the distribution of artifacts, if I could get hold of it. But I do not play a geologist on television, nor am I one in real life.

As you can see, if B mt DNA survives among the Nakota, NAGPRA issues immediately come into play.

[Minimalist]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assiniboine_people

The Assiniboine have many similarities to the Lakota Sioux in culture and language. They are considered to have separated from the central sub-group of the Sioux nation. Scholars believe that the Assiniboine broke away from Yanktonai Dakota[1] in the 16th century.

This whole "First Nations" crap seems somewhat propagandistic.

[E.P. Grondine]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assiniboine_people

The Assiniboine have many similarities to the Lakota Sioux in culture and language. They are considered to have separated from the central sub-group of the Sioux nation. Scholars believe that the Assiniboine broke away from Yanktonai Dakota[1] in the 16th century.

This whole "First Nations" crap seems somewhat propagandistic.

What, min, does "First Peoples" or "First Americans" bring some unpleasant truths to your thoughts?

Speaking about religion, you have scholars' "beliefs", and then the mt DNA data.