Interesting, Enigmatic Stuff

[uniface]

When Dr. Ruth Hover and her husband took a trip to the pyramids and temples of Egypt, they were shocked when they discovered, in the temple at Abydos, hieroglyphics depicting modern-day aircraft. She photographed a wall panel in a section where an overlaying panel with Egyptian hieroglyphics crumbled and fell, revealing an older panel beneath it. This older panel, shown above, contains images of what appear to be modern-day technology - a helicopter, a submarine, a glider, and another unknown type of aircraft (some believe resemble the Hindenburg).

http://www.sott.net/article/274028-Why- ... -dinosaurs

[circumspice]

How many times will that panel be 'discovered' & 'revealed' to the great unwashed? This is old stuff that's been regurgitated over & over & over again.

[Frank Harrist]

I saw this 20 years ago...or more. It's not anything new. I can't explain it, but it ain't new.

[Minimalist]

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Abydos_helicopter

Only two or three photographs[8] of the inscription are generally circulated to back up the "Abydos Helicopter" argument. One of them appears to have been digitally "cleaned" to make the inscription look much "tidier" than its actual state. This itself has raised several eyebrows in academia, and the low resolution of the images supplied as "proof" does nothing to sway those concerned with academic concerns over "creative" interpretations of Egyptian history. The inscription itself is actually in the dark recesses near the temple roof, and is in fact almost impossible to see with any degree of clarity from the ground.

The lack of any surviving examples of the craft that the advocates of the Abydos Helicopter claim the inscription depicts is no deterrent to the belief. Neither is the lack of any other inscription in any other Egyptian monument whatsoever, or any mention of said craft in any Egyptian literature whatsoever. Nor indeed, any mention of the Atlanteans/Little Green Men who brought such technology to them. The silence of the Egyptians on this crushing and awe inspiring degree of technology compared to their rivals is curious, given their unending enthusiasm for characteristically immodest statements of their own greatness and superiority over foreign rivals.

The case for re-carving is overwhelming. Not only are there innumerable examples of exactly the same practices being employed at other sites throughout Egypt, but reconstructions of the original and modified texts, prior the deterioration of the plaster layer, have also been reconstructed to make an entirely rational and plausible argument for the alteration of the titulary of Seti I to that of Ramesses II.

To summarize, therefore, we can conclude that the "Abydos helicopter" is, in fact, irrational bullshit.

[Ernie L]

http://youtu.be/6lBnO8oa5tQ

[Frank Harrist]

Well, there you have it. Thanks for clearing that up.

[uniface]

At least so far as the currently enforced belief system is concerned.

Being essentially deaf, I can' hear the video so it = moot.

[Frank Harrist]

Uniface, Basically the video says the same thing that Minimalist's post says. It's two different carvings superimposed on one another when later pharaohs had the carvings re-worked to say something different. Then glyphs were "restored"and the pics were enhanced. It's bullshit.

[Minimalist]

[circumspice]

What Pyramidiots refuse to acknowledge is the fact that Egyptian hieroglyphics aren't just ”purty pictures”. Each hieroglyph has meaning. Therefore, why would a helicopter be depicted in the middle of a word, for crying out loud???

”In the 1820s, Champollion established an entire list of Egyptian symbols with their Greek equivalents and was the first Egyptologist to realize that the symbols were not only alphabetic but syllabic, and in some cases determinative, meaning that they depicted the meaning of the word itself.”

http://www.discoveringegypt.com/Egyptia ... iting.html

[E.P. Grondine]

How many times will that panel be 'discovered' & 'revealed' to the great unwashed? This is old stuff that's been regurgitated over & over & over again.

As long as David and his friends can make money doing it, while not being called for being idiots -
in other words, up until Richard Kieninger's cons are publicly exposed - and you already know exactly how much that will take.

[Minimalist]

How many times was Ron Wyatt exposed as a charlatan, E.P. He still had his supporters willing to fund his fantasies.

Recall the adage about a fool and his money.

[uniface]

Frank --

Just checked back in here. Not necessarily. Recall in that regard Schwaller d'Liebnitz's (whatever the spelling is) principle of "the Transparency of the Walls."

Not my area of interest of familiarity, but in essence not unlike computer security practice, where data is split and saved in two halves.

Circ : it is well,IMO, to not set up procrustian beds with what symbols/words &c. "can mean" (and therefore, by implication, "cannot mean," the way EP wants to do with Mesopotamian texts that Sitchin showed CAN yield consistent, coherent accounts of extraterrestrials if the dictionary translations of the terms used are generalised into principles rather than concrete specifics). (IOW, about what you'd do with any ancient Semitic words-ideas linkage).

Just because somebody you don't like -- even a charlatan -- embraces some idea, it's not necessarily wrong on the principle of Guilt-by-Association. Why can't people grasp that ? Was the idea of personal Liberty "wrong" because, as claimed by the Divine Right of Kings propagandists, it was treasonous nonsense by the rabble " ?

[Frank Harrist]

Frank --

Just checked back in here. Not necessarily. Recall in that regard Schwaller d'Liebnitz's (whatever the spelling is) principle of "the Transparency of the Walls."

Not my area of interest of familiarity, but in essence not unlike computer security practice, where data is split and saved in two halves.

Circ : it is well,IMO, to not set up procrustian beds with what symbols/words &c. "can mean" (and therefore, by implication, "cannot mean," the way EP wants to do with Mesopotamian texts that Sitchin showed CAN yield consistent, coherent accounts of extraterrestrials if the dictionary translations of the terms used are generalised into principles rather than concrete specifics). (IOW, about what you'd do with any ancient Semitic words-ideas linkage).

Just because somebody you don't like -- even a charlatan -- embraces some idea, it's not necessarily wrong on the principle of Guilt-by-Association. Why can't people grasp that ? Was the idea of personal Liberty "wrong" because, as claimed by the Divine Right of Kings propagandists, it was treasonous nonsense by the rabble " ?

I agree that even an idiot can be right occasionally, but in this case I think the video discredits the alien hypothesis for this panel. These symbols appear nowhere else and no other mention of these types of technologies exist. Fairly conclusive to me, but I do believe that something extraordinary happened that sort of jump-started civilization. Just not sure what it was yet. Keep on diggin'!

[Minimalist]

Building a helicopter would be a pretty good trick for a civilization which did not even have iron... and, of course, we have all the evidence of ancient refineries to produce fuel for it.

I wonder how you write "hellfire missile" in hieroglyphs?