What Can One Say?

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What Can One Say?

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These barbarians already chop off heads of innocent people so what is bull-dozing an ancient archaeological site by comparison?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/m ... mosul-iraq
slamic State fighters have looted and bulldozed the ancient Assyrian city of Nimrud, the Iraqi government said, in their latest assault on some of the world’s greatest archaeological and cultural treasures.

A tribal source from the nearby city of Mosul said the jihadis, who dismiss Iraq’s pre-Islamic heritage as idolatrous, had pillaged the 3,000-year-old site on the banks of the Tigris river.
Still, the fuckers deserve every bomb that falls on them.
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They only destroy what they can't sell. It's well known that they have been selling off portable antiquities to finance their reign of terror. The destruction is merely a self serving statement. They do like the media coverage they get.
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That stuff is stage managed (a lot of it is outright faked) by a cabal that is desperate to provoke yet another war.

War is great for bu$ine$$.
Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler, USMC (ret.) (Recipient of two Congressional Medals of Honor) wrote: WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

In the World War a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows . . .


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I can't argue.
"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."

"There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."

"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

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2003 article headed “Pillaging 7000 Years Of Iraq History No Accident”
Patrick Martin wrote:US claims to have been taken by surprise by the ransacking of cultural facilities in Baghdad, Mosul and other cities are not credible. Such a tragedy was not only predictable, it was specifically warned against. . . . Attacking the cultural resources that connect the Iraqi people to 7,000 years of history is part of the process of systematically destroying their national identity.
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Iraq has only existed as a modern, independent, nation since 1932. It is thus two years younger than Clint Eastwood who talks to empty chairs. It was created by the British and French drawing lines on a map.... a model which has worked out so well in other parts of the world.

How about we just say that ISIS is a bunch of crazed, islamic, motherfuckers and let it go at that.
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They have a history that goes back so much further than our western European one does, comparing them is almost comical.

And erasing a peoples' sense of history-based identity is a standard play out of the standard playbook. An Assyria did when it exiled Israel beyond Euphrates. As the Romans did when they cut down the groves in which the druidic priesthood officiated. As the allies did in 1945 when they dynamited every building, statue and monument the Germans had erected since 1933. As the "missionaries" did who were in charge of "educating" native American children by punishing them for speaking their own languages instead of English. As Stalin (a student of history) did when he exiled the Crimean Tatars to remote regions in Siberia lest they welcome the Germans as liberators instead of fighting them as enemies. As, for that matter, the English did with the Irish.

Adjectives are no substitute for nouns.
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Sunni and Shi'a have been fighting each other for 1300 years. The mistake is to treat islam as a monolithic bloc.
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Sunni and Shi'a have been fighting each other for 1300 years.
That's about as grotesque an exaggeration as claiming that "Romanists and Protestants have been fighting each other for 450 years."

On the contrary, pilgrimages to Mecca by believers of both persuasions have been business as usual from time out of mind.

You want to sneak the impression into peoples' minds that the Iraqis are savages bent on fighting and conquest while, in point of fact, they have not started a war in the last 200 years, and the Middle East has long been the one place on earth where people differing in religion have lived in peace with each other for over 1,000 years (until the British and, later, Americans started engineering religious conflicts in divide-and-conquer exercises). To this day the Jews in Iraq have consistently rejected incentives to leave their homes there for Israel.

Oh -- and while we're at it :
"Ancient" statues filmed being destroyed by depraved Islamic State militants in a Mosul museum last month were nothing more than worthless fakes, the director of an Iraqi museum has claimed.

Baghdad museum director Fawzye al-Mahdi has ridiculed ISIS' propaganda exercise, claiming the genuine priceless Assyrian and Akkadian statues and sculptures are still safely in his possession in the Iraqi capital, adding that those in Mosul were plaster cast replicas
http://whatreallyhappened.com/#ixzz3UZdFm3Wq

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-- Richard Salent, Former President CBS News.

"News is what someone wants to suppress. Everything else is advertising".
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PS : I apologise for coming off combatively sometimes (I'm assuming I do).
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They have, effectively, segregated themselves into Shi'a and Sunni communities and one imagines that opportunities for strife were limited by the political separation. Then Bush the Dumber comes along and removes the cork from the battle and here we are. Totally fucked while tribal assholes cut off heads.

And don't kid yourself. If catholics and protestants thought they could get away with it they would gladly kill each other. Northern Ireland wasn't all that long ago. Religion exists to demonize "the other."
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That's silly, Min. The Pittsburgh area (where I grew up) had larger concentrations of nearly every European ethnic-national group of anywhere on earth outside their own countries. The ethnic newspapers published there had circulations rivaling those of the biggest newspapers in the national capitals of their home countries.

Nobody was killing anybody there over ethnic differences.
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The US is a secular country. We do not allow religious shitheads to murder people for whatever fairy tale god they like.

Other places and other times did not and do not have such a restriction.

Sort of reminds me of Tom Lehrer.....

"Oh, the protestants hate the catholics.

And the catholics hate the protestants.

And the hindus hate the moslems.

And everybody hates the jews!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wHDn8LDks8
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The US is a secular country. We do not allow religious shitheads to murder people for whatever fairy tale god they like.

Other places and other times did not and do not have such a restriction.
Here we go with "American Exceptionalism" I guess . . . :roll:
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The purveyors of American Exceptionalism are the ones who think it is a neat idea.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.

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