Just Flush It

[uniface]

. . . the whole "evolutionary" model, that is.

In what is quite an amazing discovery, scientists have confirmed that a bracelet found in Siberia is 40,000 years old. This makes it the oldest piece of jewelry ever discovered, and archeologists have been taken aback by the level of its sophistication.

The bracelet was discovered in a site called the Denisova Cave in Siberia, close to Russia's border with China and Mongolia. It was found next to the bones of extinct animals, such as the wooly mammoth, and other artifacts dating back 125,000 years.

Amazingly, the skill involved in making this adornment shows a level of technique at least 30,000 years ahead of its time.

Until now, scientists had believed that such skills had only evolved among humans in the Neolithic period, which began at about 10,000 BC. Indeed, originally, they believed that the bracelet had somehow become mixed up with materials dating from a later period.

However, experiments have now definitely ruled that out, and they confirm that it could not have been made by homo sapiens or Neanderthals. After 7 years of analysis, the scientists are confident that the piece was made 30,000 years before the beginning of the Neolithic.

Mikhail Shunkov, deputy director of the the Institute of Archaeology and Ethnography in Novosibirsk, part of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, suggested that the find indicates that the Denisovans were more advanced than Homo sapiens and Neanderthals. What is incredible is that the craftsman who made the adornment, seems to have used something similar to a modern drill.

The Siberian Times quotes Dr Derevyanko, who wrote in the Russian magazine, Science First Hand, that when they studied the diameters of the bracelet, they found that the rotational speed of the drill must have been quite high, and with minimal fluctuations.

"The ancient master" he said, "was skilled in techniques previously considered not characteristic for the Palaeolithic era, such as easel speed drilling, boring tool type rasp, grinding and polishing with a leather and skins of varying degrees of tanning."

Held in place by what they believe was a leather strap, the bracelet itself was made from a type of stone called chlorite, which could only have been imported from some 200km (125 miles) away.

The archeologists are reported to have also found a ring made of marble, but they have not yet disclosed any findings about it.

http://www.sott.net/article/296220-4000 ... cies-found

[kbs2244]

One of the comments, showing a lot of insight, brought up the question of trade.
We do we have to assume that all artifacts are made by the people they are found with?
But that seems to be the current trend.

[uniface]

Well and good. But if you hypothesize that they got it in trade, then

1) They got it from others of their own kind

or

2) There was some other "species" contemporary with them that could make that too.

Either way the whole "evolutionary" model's bankrupt. I.e., when it turns out that there were people (of whatever lineage) here 40,000 years ago who were accomplishing things that "we" were unable to previous to 10,000 or so years ago, you're looking at regression.

NOT progress.

[Minimalist]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't SOTT.net derived from "Signs of the Times?"

[uniface]

<facewipe> Why, yes it is. They come up with some interesting stuff. Something wrong with that ?

Oh . . . I forgot. You're the "Nothing can be true, or even relevant, unless it comes from one of my pre-approved sources" guy.

[Minimalist]

Signs of the Times®, a monthly magazine,
encourages readers to lead joyful Christian
lives as they await the soon return of Jesus

7th Day Adventists...which is another way of saying "Batshit Crazy Motherfuckers."

But I forget. You are impressed by anything some lunatic writes down.

[uniface]

1) If you only realised how retarded you look coming off with your "judge the data by its reporter" pattern (no imprimatur, no nihil obstat = heretical), you'd be mortified.

2) Wrong SOTT.

[E.P. Grondine]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't SOTT.net derived from "Signs of the Times?"

Perhaps it may be paranoia, min, but....
Laura Knight J. at work again.
http://www.sott.net/article/283434-Lament-for-Babylon

uni here with Velikovsky at archeologica,
Dennis Cox with an imaginary impacts at the Tusk,
(and she gave Dennis money),
cluttered up the reviews of my book at amazon by quoting back the summary.

Take a look at SOTT.
Take a look at the use of fear made there.
Take a look at the claim of ONE earlier advanced culture.

[E.P. Grondine]

http://www.passc.net/EarthImpactDatabas ... ussia.html

http://www.passc.net/EarthImpactDatabase/karakul.html
(redated - not during hominid evolution now)

http://www.passc.net/EarthImpactDatabas ... nshin.html
(separates hominid groups)
http://www.passc.net/EarthImpactDatabase/karla.html
http://www.passc.net/EarthImpactDatabase/macha.html
http://www.passc.net/EarthImpactDatabase/sobolev.html

[E.P. Grondine]

"The ancient master" he said, "was skilled in techniques previously considered not characteristic for the Palaeolithic era, such as easel speed drilling, boring tool type rasp, grinding and polishing with a leather and skins of varying degrees of tanning."

Any earlier wooden-work would not have survived the passage of time.
The obvious next step is to use earth imagery to plan a surface survey of the quarry area.

In as much as these people were most likely migratory hunters, stone use marks their range, and indicates the range of the animals they hunted.

The remains and artifacts that will come in the future from submerged coastal sites are likely to be quite stunning.

[shawomet]

Very interesting that a high rotation drill was utilized....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rills.html

It's a legit find, regardless of the outlets that report on it......

SOTT or not, it's a legit find....

[shawomet]

Signs of the Times®, a monthly magazine,
encourages readers to lead joyful Christian
lives as they await the soon return of Jesus

7th Day Adventists...which is another way of saying "Batshit Crazy Motherfuckers."

But I forget. You are impressed by anything some lunatic writes down.

What exactly does that have to do with the discovery itself?? Forget the messenger in this instance. A little Google would have demonstrated the story is legit for heaven's sake.

[Frank Harrist]

[uniface]

Dear Turdwits :

It is an elementary fallacy to judge the truth or falsity of a claim on the basis of its source. (This is known as “the genetic fallacy”).

2) http://www.sott.net/

See number 1 (above)

[Minimalist]

What exactly does that have to do with the discovery itself??

Because the web is full of bullshit claims and Uni falls for all of them. The Ancient Aliens con men make all sorts of claims too and they don't stand up to scrutiny. We have morons like Bob Cornuke claiming to have found pharaoh's "chariot wheels" at the bottom of the red sea. Lately there is a bunch claiming to have a first century papyrus of the gospel of mark but they just can't bring themselves to show it to anyone, yet. (Any day now.....)

Horseshit claims remain exactly that until evaluated. There are far too many con artists out there.

And when the only place you can find a claim repeated is ABOVETOPSECRET.COM or some such shit then my bullshit meter goes off the scale.

Got it?